Christianity--Church History/Joshua vrs Revelation


QUESTION: Dear Mel and Guyna, do you see a similarity in Josh 5 thru 8 and Rev? ie: In Josh God gives the promised land to the Israelites, however not before 2 things happen. Josh meets commander of The Lord's Army and the purification of Israel from it's sin against God, the taking of pagan things into camp. The next time we see  the commander OTL'sArmy is Rev19;11. The warnings to the 7 churches 1 thru 3. The pagan things of this day have me in wonderment of Rev. Do you see a correlation or am I missing something? God gives us salvation thru Christ Jesus yet we hang on to pagan practice. Thank you both for input, Dan


Just wanted to let you know that your question required a bit of research and some prayerful meditation, because the more we look at it the more we find.  We shall get back to you asap.

We apologize for the delay.
Mel and Guyna

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QUESTION: May Holy Spirit guide us. Peter says Paul says confusing things. Jesus said: Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY word out of His Father,s mouth. (for eternity?) Matt4:4

Hi Dan,

You asked about Peter's comment on Paul's writings, in view of Christ's comment about living by every word that the Father speaks.

If we take this in order of authority:

1. There is no authority higher than God the Father.  The opinions of men are just opinions.  
"Be not rash with your mouth, and let not your heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and you upon earth: therefore let your words be few." (Ecc. 5:2.)

2. Christ spoke the words that the Father gave him to speak. (Jn. 14:10, 17:8).

3. We have direct quotes of the Lord speaking to Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, the Prophets, and of Christ (speaking the Father's words) to his 12 disciples.

4. We have commentary and opinions by others in the scriptures including some of the 12 disciples, NT authors, and Paul.

5. We are given the principle that truth, and matters of life and death (such as salvation) are determined by the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses. (death, Deu. 17:6-7, Num. 35:30; truth and sin, Deu. 19:15; disfellowship, Mat. 18:15-17; charges against elder, 1Tim. 5:19; the Two Witnesses giving testimony against the world, Rev. 11:3-13; spies sent to the Promised Land, Num. 13:17-20).  The truth is to be understood "line upon line, here a little, there a little" (Isa. 28:9-13, 29:9-14).  However, by the same method, some are prevented from understanding at this time.

6. God does not change. (Mal. 3:6).  Therefore, his words are valid for eternity.

7. According to "Pauline theology," Paul's words, (or more precisely, the interpretation of Paul's words) trump the words of the 12 disciples, the words of Christ, and the words of the Lord in the OT.
According to one Catholic theologian, Paul was the only one who "got it right" (even counting Christ).

8. God is not the author of confusion (1Cor. 14:33).

9. Even when Peter and Paul were still living, some were saying that they, along with others (Apollos) were contradicting one another, and contradicting the teachings of Jesus Christ (1Cor. 1:12, 3:4).

10. In responding to this confusion of interpretations, Peter acknowledged that "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." (2Pet. 3:16).

a) the problem involved "all his (Paul's) epistles";

b) it was not Paul that was hard to be understood, but "some things" hard to be understood.  Paul said that some among his flocks still needed spiritual milk and not meat (1Cor. 3:2).

c) those who had problems with Paul's words were those who were "unlearned" (lacking knowledge of the scriptures), and "unstable" ("double-minded", Jas. 1:8, easily deceived, or "beguiled", 2Pet. 2:4).

d) the result of "wresting" (twisting, perverting) Paul's words is "their own destruction".

11. What started then, continues today as we see mainstream christianity in a perpetual state of confusion, with over 33,000 denominations, most of which claim to be the "one true church".

See article: Has Christianity Failed the World?  at

12. Christ said, "many are called, but few are chosen", because "the way to destruction is broad and many go that way", but "few" find the way to life. (Mat. 20:16, 22:14, Mat. 7:13-14, Mat.19:30).  Christ said that he is going to reject many who claim to be Christians (Mat. 7:22-23).

How many is "few"?  In the time of Noah, out of millions, possibly even billions, only eight were spared, and only one of them was considered righteous.
In Revelation, in describing the worldwide destruction, only 144,000 are divinely protected during the last part of the Great Tribulation.  (Many others will be allowed, at some point, to enter the Kingdom, but 144,000 out of a world population of over 6 billion is "few".)  Furthermore, 144,000 is also "few" compared to the 2 billion who claim to be Christians.

This touches on a number of major doctrines too large to be discussed here.  If you have further questions, feel free to write anytime.

We hope this helps.


Mel and Guyna

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We can help with any questions about the history of God's working with mankind from Creation to the Apostles, most questions about the period from the Apostles to "modern Christianity" (90 to 325 AD) and most questions about the confusion within "world Christianity" from 325 AD to the present 33,830 documented denominations. We can discuss major doctrinal differences and their origins but we will not engage in debates over doctrines. We try to avoid trivia unless it had a non-trivial effect or is just really interesting, IOHO. Please do not submit homework questions.


Over 50 years of independent study and over 20 years experience in working with teens, young adults and singles groups. Over two years experience with a prison ministry. Author of three books with two more in development. Published many articles regarding Bible studies and Christian Living.

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B.A. in Theology with emphasis on Church history and comparative theology. Over 40 years of independent, post-grad study and research at Baylor, Univ. of Houston, Rice, Texas A&M College Station, Univ. of Texas Austin, .

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