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I have a Seth Thomas Brown Marbleized Adamantine Mantle Clock Ca 1890's. I need the key for setting the speed of this clock. I have the winding key. Can you help?  

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Ron, first, the key that is used on this type of clock is called a double-ended key.  On end fits the winding arbors of the clock and the other end fits the rating arbor.  There are no single keys for the rating arbor, unless you could find a small watch winding key that would fit.  In selecting a key, it has to fit perfectly on both ends.  The winding part has to be loose enough to be inserted on the winding arbor without binding, but not so loose that it wobbles.  That can cause wear or slip, which can be disastrous if it slips and the spring lets go and damages the clock and your hand.  The keys are numbered for both ends, but unfortunately different manufacturers are not consistent in their sizes.  Also the arbors can wear over time or a damaged arbor is sometimes trued up by a clockmaker, requiring the use of two different size keys, unless the arbor is replaced.  The fool-proof way to select the key is to take the clock in to an experienced clockmaker and have it fitted.  If you don't have a clockmaker in the area, I do have some ST mantel clocks in my shop and could fit a key and send to you with the hopes it would work.  Contact me at my shop email address below and I can reply with the details.  One further note.  Does your clock have a pendulum bob that is adjustable, that is with a small round nut at the bottom of the bob?  On these older American clocks, the rating adjustment on the dial is very unreliable, as the rating assembly has become worn and varies quite a bit.  Some clocks were furnished at the factory with the adjustable bobs in addition to the dial adjusters and clockmakers often substitute the adjustable bobs for more accurate rating.  Trying to rate a clock with a dial adjustor can be rather frustrating.  Also, the reproduction replacement assemblies leave a little to be desired.  At any rate, get back with me and we'll see what we can do.

John Newman
The Village Clocksmith
Old Prattvillage
Prattville, Alabama

klokdok@juno.com

Note:  Because of my commitment to answering Allexperts questions within a prescribed time limit and the large backlog of clock work at my shop, I regret that I cannot answer personal email questions on a timely basis, other than Allexperts follow up questions.

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As much as I would like to offer values of clocks, I am not a certified appraiser and will not venture into giving an unresearched guess. There is very little published information on what I consider to be the value of "modern production clocks". Considerations are what the clock originally sold for, the condition of the case and movement, and particularly the area in which you live, the demand and the economy. ALSO, WATCHES ARE NOT MY FIELD. However, I can advise the clock owner on proper maintenance of a clock to keep it running, small corrections and adjustments and how to move a clock without damaging it. I can also advise on obtaining parts for clocks. It helps if you can send any information on the clock movement which is usually found on the back plate of the movement. I have been a clockmaker for about 35 years and was plant engineer in the mid 90's and later operations and engineering consultant at Emperor Clock Company in Fairhope, Alabama. I now have my own clock shop.

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One of my greatest accomplishments was traveling to China to assist a clock factory in building clocks to the standards which we required. With the proper specifications and quality control, some beautiful clock cases were built. The factory people from the wood carvers to the plant manager were very congenial, friendly and I left a lot of wonderful friends when I returned from my trips.

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Chamber of Commerce Small Business Committee

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Horological Times, a publication of the American Watch and Clockmakers Instute. Collaberated column author, with Photos and ideas for clock movement conversion article.

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Associate of Science Mechanical Engineering Technology Emperor Introductory Clock Repair (Eventually taught a portion of the class after becoming employee)

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Small Business of the Quarter (Prattville, Alabama) Leadership Class of 2009 (Autauga County, Alabama)

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