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I have the opportunity to buy a complete cherry series 120 kit with movement In the box. Not sure if it is the 100 or 101 movement but any case was thinking about offering $50 or $100. What would be a fair offer if no parts are missing. Do you think the wood would warp unfinished all these years later and would an unused movement be good all these years later. Will see it next week.
Any input would be appreciated


ANSWER: David, I normally don't give values on the Internet, but your case is a little different.  First, I believe you are referring to the Emperor rather than Empire.  Normally, the wood which is a good grade species (in your case, solid cherry), will not have warped if it has been a moisture free atmosphere.  An unused movement will be okay other than the lubricants have probably become old and gummy and it should be field cleaned and then re-lubricated.  The model 100 movement was what we refer to as the Jauch 77 and the 101 is the Hermle 451 which replaced the 100.  The 451 is still made today.  On eBay I have seen these kits go for $200-$300 if all the parts are there.  I myself would certainly pay a couple of hundred for a complete kit.  So, I would look for an asking price and go from there.  Depending on any parts that might be missing, I do have many of parts for the vintage Emperor clocks and frequently help kit builders on advice in building, assembling and maintaining their Emperor clocks.  If I don't have the parts I try to help in finding them.   Good luck.

John Newman
The Village Clocksmith
Old Prattvillage
Prattville, Alabama

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I realized I did say empire instead of Emperor. I keep saying that don't know why.
Thank you for the quick response. I will probably have questions since I have never built a clock, I do know the outcome of the finishing is very important to be done right for an excellent finish. I have a couple people I know who are custom furniture makers I will consult them for finishing. I'm  glad to know I can seek you advice for the future. Lets hope the kit doesn't sit another 30 years, since I do have other clocks in the house.


Okay, David.  If you do have any more questions you can go to my shop email address below and that will help free up my limited Allexperts question queue.

John Newman
The Village Clocksmith
Old Prattvillage
Prattville, Alabama

Note concerning questions not related to Allexperts:  Because of my commitment to answering Allexperts questions within a prescribed time limit and the large backlog of clock work at my shop, I regret that I cannot answer personal email questions on a timely basis, other than Allexperts follow up questions.  I will try to answer these emails as soon as I can. Thank you for your patience.

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As I am not a certified appraiser I do not give values of clocks over the Internet. There is very little published information on what I consider to be the value of "modern production clocks". However, considerations are what the clock originally sold for, the condition of the case and movement, and particularly the area in which you live, the demand and the economy. ALSO, WATCHES ARE NOT MY FIELD. However, I can advise the clock owner on proper maintenance of a clock to keep it running, small corrections and adjustments and how to move a clock without damaging it. I can also advise on obtaining parts for clocks. As clock case model label numbers are difficult to relate to the movements, it is helpful if you can give me the information usually found on the movements themselves. Modern clock movements usually have the information on the back plate of the movement. I have been a clockmaker for about 40 years and was plant engineer in the mid 90's and later operations and engineering consultant at Emperor Clock Company in Fairhope, Alabama. I now have my own clock shop in Prattville, Alabama.


One of my greatest accomplishments was traveling to China to assist a clock factory in building clocks to the standards which we required at Emperor. With the proper specifications and quality control, some beautiful clock cases were built. The factory people from the wood carvers to the plant manager were very congenial, friendly and I left a lot of wonderful friends when I returned from my trips.

NAWCC (National Association of Watch and Clock Collectors) 30 years Prattville, Alabama Chamber of Commerce

Horological Times, a publication of the American Watch and Clockmakers Instute. Collaberated column author, with Photos and ideas for clock movement conversion article.

Associate of Science Mechanical Engineering Technology Emperor Introductory Clock Repair (Eventually taught a portion of the class after becoming employee)

Awards and Honors
Small Business of the Quarter (Prattville, Alabama) Leadership Class of 2009 (Autauga County, Alabama)

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