Clocks, Watches/weights and chains


I have a grandfather dose not have any chains or weights...this is whats on back of it. 461-053 h    94cm  66.00   I don't know what size of weights or chains that I need for it can you help...thank you Brenda

Brenda, the Hermle 461 movement is not seen in clocks too often in comparison to others.  It is a grandfather movement with chain drive and the plates are about 6 X 9 inches. The weights on it are from left to right (as you face the clock), 5.5#, 5.5# and 7.7#.  Sometimes the numbers are a little difficult to read, so I will give you the weights requirements for the more popular 451 movement, the Hermle 451 which is about 6 X 6 inches. The left and center weights are 4.7# and the right weight is 6.6#.  The diameter of the 451 weights is a little smaller than the 461.  It is a little difficult to find the complete sets from suppliers already made up, so reply to my shop email address below and I will try to find some for you.  Verify which movement you have so we can be sure.  I can then give you all the details.  The chains are a little easier to find.

John Newman
The Village Clocksmith
Located in Old Prattvillage
Prattville, Alabama 36067

Note: Because of my commitment to answering Allexperts questions and follow ups in a timely manner, and the workload at my shop, I am unable to answer individual email questions immediately.  

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As I am not a certified appraiser I do not give values of clocks over the Internet. There is very little published information on what I consider to be the value of "modern production clocks". However, considerations are what the clock originally sold for, the condition of the case and movement, and particularly the area in which you live, the demand and the economy. ALSO, WATCHES ARE NOT MY FIELD. However, I can advise the clock owner on proper maintenance of a clock to keep it running, small corrections and adjustments and how to move a clock without damaging it. I can also advise on obtaining parts for clocks. As clock case model label numbers are difficult to relate to the movements, it is helpful if you can give me the information usually found on the movements themselves. Modern clock movements usually have the information on the back plate of the movement. I have been a clockmaker for about 40 years and was plant engineer in the mid 90's and later operations and engineering consultant at Emperor Clock Company in Fairhope, Alabama. I now have my own clock shop in Prattville, Alabama.


One of my greatest accomplishments was traveling to China to assist a clock factory in building clocks to the standards which we required at Emperor. With the proper specifications and quality control, some beautiful clock cases were built. The factory people from the wood carvers to the plant manager were very congenial, friendly and I left a lot of wonderful friends when I returned from my trips.

NAWCC (National Association of Watch and Clock Collectors) 30 years Prattville, Alabama Chamber of Commerce

Horological Times, a publication of the American Watch and Clockmakers Instute. Collaberated column author, with Photos and ideas for clock movement conversion article.

Associate of Science Mechanical Engineering Technology Emperor Introductory Clock Repair (Eventually taught a portion of the class after becoming employee)

Awards and Honors
Small Business of the Quarter (Prattville, Alabama) Leadership Class of 2009 (Autauga County, Alabama)

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