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Hi John,
I find it so interesting that you worked as an engineer for Emperor in Farihope as that is exactly the brand clock I have.  I inherited the clock from my father and am now moving myself and have no place for it.  As much as I hate to leave it behind I have no choice.  I live in a small town in North Carolina where no one has any knowledge of items such as these.  It is in excellent shape and works great with no marks or scratches on it.  The plate inside says this:
Made for Emperor clock co by Hermle Black Forest Clocks
Can you tell me anything about this clock?  is one of these numbers a model number or serial number?  any recommendations as to what would be a good way for me to find a buyer and what would be a reasonable price?  I have no idea what the original price paid for is or what year it is from, so anything you can tell me would be great.  Thanks for your time.

Kathy, to identify your clock, I would need the model number of the clock (which Emperor did not put on their clocks).  But if you can send a photo of the clock to my shop email address (below), I can tell you the model number and some additional information.  The "82" on the first line indicates the movement was manufactured in 1982.  However, I am not sure of the model number you gave me of the movement.  The Hermle "grandmother" movement is approximately 6X6 inches and the numbers 451 would be one of these.  A "grandfather" movement is approximately 6X9 inches and the 461 would be one of these.  The 451 would have a suffix of 050 or 050H.  I don't believe the 461 would have that suffix you gave me, but I could be wrong. There are some additional option numbers, but they are rather rare.  All this off the top of my head, and I will let you know of any error in my information when I get to my shop in the morning.  At this point let's try to determine the model of the clock.  

Just for the information now, to find a buyer you can advertise in a local bulletin board publication or an On-line service such as Craigs List.  You could list it on eBay for local pick-up.  One way of finding a price is to check eBay for the model of clock you have.  Be sure to look at the "Completed Listings", as the sold clocks will give you an idea of what they are going for.  As I tell people, the selling value of a clock will depend on the original selling price, the age, the condition of the case and movement, and most importantly, the demand and economy in the area in which you are selling the clock. If you can't send a photo, give me a description of the clock (I can help you) and I can send a photo for you to compare.

John Newman
Vintage Emperor Clock Consultant
Located in Old Prattvillage
Prattville, Alabama

(not a mailing address)

Due to the number of Allexperts questions and
the workload I have at my clock shop, I regret
that I cannot answer personal email questions
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As I am not a certified appraiser I do not give values of clocks over the Internet. There is very little published information on what I consider to be the value of "modern production clocks". However, considerations are what the clock originally sold for, the condition of the case and movement, and particularly the area in which you live, the demand and the economy. ALSO, WATCHES ARE NOT MY FIELD. However, I can advise the clock owner on proper maintenance of a clock to keep it running, small corrections and adjustments and how to move a clock without damaging it. I can also advise on obtaining parts for clocks. As clock case model label numbers are difficult to relate to the movements, it is helpful if you can give me the information usually found on the movements themselves. Modern clock movements usually have the information on the back plate of the movement. I have been a clockmaker for about 40 years and was plant engineer in the mid 90's and later operations and engineering consultant at Emperor Clock Company in Fairhope, Alabama. I now have my own clock shop in Prattville, Alabama.


One of my greatest accomplishments was traveling to China to assist a clock factory in building clocks to the standards which we required at Emperor. With the proper specifications and quality control, some beautiful clock cases were built. The factory people from the wood carvers to the plant manager were very congenial, friendly and I left a lot of wonderful friends when I returned from my trips.

NAWCC (National Association of Watch and Clock Collectors) 30 years Prattville, Alabama Chamber of Commerce

Horological Times, a publication of the American Watch and Clockmakers Instute. Collaberated column author, with Photos and ideas for clock movement conversion article.

Associate of Science Mechanical Engineering Technology Emperor Introductory Clock Repair (Eventually taught a portion of the class after becoming employee)

Awards and Honors
Small Business of the Quarter (Prattville, Alabama) Leadership Class of 2009 (Autauga County, Alabama)

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