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QUESTION: Vic,
Thanks for your answers on the Danny Coale catch. I like your all caps response to my 2nd question. Large and in charge baby!! thats the sign of a good ref. I couldn't find the link to where I rate you. Can you send that to me? football is the best freaking sport in the world!! thanks for your passion to the game.
Joey Jauch
ANSWER: Joe
Great question and follow up question. Thanks for taking the time to visit AllExperts.com and asking a question. I hope I was able to explain the play situation and the rationale for its ruling.
Take care and Happy New Year
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QUESTION: Vic,
Joey Jauch again. I'm starting to think your my "homie" now with our e-mail exchanges. I have something else stuck in my "craw" regarding the VT vs. Michigan game. Why was the Michigan kicker allowed to move forward with a quick stutter step motion right before the ball was snapped? He was an eligible receiver moving in a forward direction and not being set prior to the snap of the ball. he did it twice during the game. Should this not have been called illegal procedure? I don't know if you saw it but it was really weird. Right before the ball was snapped he would stutter step forward and then as the ball was snapped he would takeoff and kick it. Never seen this before unless it was on accident.
In the interview after the game he said he was doing it on purpose. Even the interviewer asked him about it.
What is the rule?
You da man Vic!! Bring it strong or don't bring it at all!!
Joe
That was a very good observation, the kicker did take a stutter step but at the snap. Because it was taken at the snap it is not a false start. The term "illegal procedure" is Not a term under NCAA rules - we refer to that action/foul as a false start.
I did see the the kicker on 2 occasions take a stutter step and watched it, it appeared it was simultaneous with the snap, hence legal. There is no rule that prohibits the stutter kick, but mechanically it is not very good or sound fundamentally as it through the timing off. The QB is give some leeway in his movement when he is in shotgun formation (i.e. able to lift his leg and step to initiate the snap - many times the step is forward and that is not a foul as he is not gaining an advantage or momentum forward. Likewise a similar philosophy applies to the kicker.
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| Comment | Good job Vic. I went and looked at the kicker again and you are right he moved at the snap of the ball. Maybe a hair early, but definately to close to call. I still think by rule they got it wrong on the Danny Coale catch. i know "by rule" you think I'm crazy, but I have watched that a thousand times frame by frame, there is no way in Hades that should have been overturned. I appreciate your answers and professionalism thanks for getting back to me. Joey Jauch | ||
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Vic Winnek
Expertise
Will Answer all queries RE: Rules of Football - NCAA & Federation; Officiating; Instruction on Football; Mechanics & application of rules; Setting up Instructional programs and clinics for: Officials, coaches and media; Liability Issues (Legal & Insurance questions)arising from coaching, playing, refereeing, product liability. Serve as an Consultant and Expert Witness in Football Related Matters in Tort and Contract (Standard of Care for: officials, coaches, players, assignors, BOD; Player, equipment, field & stadium Safety; Fee issues, independant contractor workers compensation. History of the College football game -its evolution. MY PURPOSE IS TO INFORM & EDUCATE FANS, MEDIA, THOSE INTERESTED IN FOOTBALL ABOUT: THE RULES, THEIR APPLICATION, PHILOSOPHIES; OFFICIATING; LEGAL ISSUES INVOLVING FOOTBALL. I WILL NOT RESPOND TO BASHING OF TEAMS, COACHES OR OFFICIALS. I will not dignify rude or disparaging comments with a response, nor entertain questions that use profanity or questions that suggest Football officials are corupt, such an insinuation is ridiculous and ludicrous.
Experience
24 years officiating High School & College football, NCAA Referee, Umpire, Back Judge & Line Judge 2 years Arena Football-substitution official Instructor of NCAA & Federation Officials, Played prep and college football; coached High School football; Athletic trainer; 23 years of instruction in Officiating Football
Organizations
Past President of Calif. Football Officials Assoc; Western Collegiate Football Officials Assoc.; CFOA-Long Beach Unit Board of Directors CFOA-South Bay Unit & Long Beach Unit, Pres. Executive Council of Calif. Football Officials Assoc.; CIF Presidents' Council on Officiating; Chairman Ethics Committee
Publications
Referee Magazine; California Football Officials Assoc. Instructor's Guide; NACC Div. 1-AA football officials' clinic; CFOA instrutional materials; Articles written: Line of Scrimmage mechanics, Forward Progress, Side Line Warnings, 2006 NCAA New Timing Rules; various instructional materials, UWLA Law Review
Education/Credentials
BA USC 1987
JD UWLA School of Law 1996
3 Years Reno Football Officials Clinic
4 Years UCLA Football Officials Camp
Big 12 Mini Clinic
NFL Grass Roots Clinic
Aloha Clinic, Honolulu, HI
West Coast Alliance Clinic
Awards and Honors
NCAA Div. 1 FCS & Div. III, 9 post season Bowl Games, play-offs, CIF Div. 1,2,3,5,8,9,10,12 Final, 10 years CIF Semi-finals, 19 years of CIF play-offs, California State High School Football Div. 1 Championship, Southern California Jr. College Championship, NCAA Div. III Semi-Final
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