Construction Law/No claim clause of subcontract agreement
I would request you to please share your knowledgeable opinion regarding following issues
1-In one of our subcontract agreement for E&M works, there is no provision for claim against idling of resources and we as main contractor, are delaying the payments and also not able to give the deliverable to our subcontractor to complete his scope.
On the other hand there is a clause in subcontract agreement that subcontractor is fully familiar with T&C of main contract (That is based on FIDIC EPC)technical specifications relevant to subcontract
-Is subcontractor not entitled to any claim against idling charges and delay of payments?
-can a subcontractor claim if main contract is implemented back to back without any modification, as if he is not restricted to technical specifications only?
There is another irrelevant issue for which i need your assistance please.
Question: While drafting a standard contract for a company under FIDIC (Whether Yellow or Red Book)is it mandatory to copy all the contents of general&Particular conditions or we can modify it? if it can be modified then what is %age of modification permitted to consider any contract falling under FIDIC.
Mohammad Shaiba Hassan
ANSWER: Mohammad Bey Sellam,
Thank you for your questions.
1. In respect of the first one, I am afraid I do not understand what do you mean by "idling". Do you mean "delaying"?
What do you mean by "idling resources" and then, by "idling payments"?
If you refer to "delayed payments" and if Silver (EPC) FDIC Book is relevant, then, please check Sub-Clause 14.8, which shows entitlement for delayed payments.
As well, if you as main contractor, are "not able to give the deliverable" to your subcontractor, it is likely they will be able to claim against you (Sub-Clause 8.4 c).
Please have a look at this answer and see if it is what you need. If not, please come back with a few clarifications and make sure you clearly define your current case and sought answer.
2. In respect of your second question, I assume you refer to preparation of the Particular Conditions, which are modifying, amending, etc the General Conditions.
Your Contract does not fall under FIDIC, but uses, or is based on the FIDIC Conditions of Contract.
In general, there is a "reasonable" degree of changes that you can include in the Particular Conditions, for including in the Contract the specificities of the country, law, project, location, Employer, etc. As long as you preserve the FIDIC spirit of having a balance and fair contract.
Of course, starting from the FIDIC Conditions of Contract, you can modify anything you want, in any way you want, until the Particular Conditions will no longer allow any resemblance with the original General Conditions, but that is not recommended.
Hope that answer your second question.
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QUESTION: Sorry for being not putting my situation clearly, i try again to make things more clarified.
activity was planned on 1st day of the month and due to negligence of main contractor, this could not start till 22nd of the same month, as a result main contractor received a claim against idling of direct resources i.e. gantry crane, riggers, lifting engineer etc.
My question is, since in our subcontract agreement (Which is in a sort of labor & materials contract, as main contractor is supplying all direct materials) there is no clause at all for claiming the cost from main contractor against any delays (although we have clause to impose penalty in case of delay on subcontractor), then how a subcontractor can claim cost that is not attributable towards him? Also please note that our signed agreement seems to be modified or very simple form of agreement, because neither the content of subcontract agreement are similar to FIDIC contracts nor the general and particular terms are being used.
If there is clause in the agreement that subcontractor is fully familiar with main contract i.e.FIDIC EPC contract, does this entitle the subcontractor for claim even in absence of any clause for claims against delays.
If at any stage subcontractor decides to go in arbitration, then what reference will be used by the arbitrators for decision making?
I am really sorry that i am not able to communicate exactly what my concern is but even then hope, that you will support me in developing clear picture.
ANSWER: Dear Shaiba,
Thank you for coming back with these details. And do not worry, none of us was born knowing everything. That's why we're here, to help. As long as there is understanding from your side to provide the necessary information, we'll get to an end.
Firstly, suggest you use the word "delaying" instead of "idling".
Secondly, the answer seems to be somewhere else, not in the Contract, which as you say, seems to have been very poorly drafted.
Hence, I can not give a definite answer, but to rather direct you on where to look for it.
That clause saying the Subcontractor is familiar with the FIDIC EPC, is indeed useless, as it has no relevance whatsoever, as long as there is nothing in the Subcontracting Agreement saying that FIDIC EPC applies. That is one thing you need to check.
As long as I did not see that Subcontracting Agreement, I can not assess the matter completely.
But, as long as you, Main Contractor, put the Subcontractor in the position of not being able to carry out their duties, you might need to check the applicable law, as there may be legal principles such as "natural justice" (one must be given a fair chance), "unjust enrichment", "one can not benefit of his own mistake", etc.
Hence, I can not say what the Subcontractor may claim in an arbitration, but I would suggest you try finding a mutually acceptable compromise.
Because regardless if Subcontractor goes for arbitration or not, surely, they will not serve you well and your ultimate goal is to have the job done properly.
Try to sit down with the Subcontractor and see how you can solve the matter for the best benefit of both of you.
Mind you, you have to deliver yourself to your Employer and regardless what actions you may want to take later against the Subcontractor, you will suffer because of the actions the Employer will take against you. A lean compromise is always better than a fat lawsuit!
Trust that answers your query, let me know if I can be of any further assistance.
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QUESTION: Thank you very much for your encouraging behavior, actually i wanted to know the answer for my future assignment, because currently every thing is messed up e.g Project was suppose to complete in Dec 2012 and it will still take appx 2 more years to complete and getting EOT by a main contractor is not an issue due to political environment.
Subcontractor is a sister concern of main contractor therefore we know that there is not going to be any arbitration.
Subcontracts are totally unbalanced and put all the responsibilities toward subcontractor
but I got my answer which I was looking for But, "as long as you, Main Contractor, put the Subcontractor in the position of not being able to carry out their duties, you might need to check the applicable law, as there may be legal principles such as "natural justice" (one must be given a fair chance), "unjust enrichment", "one can not benefit of his own mistake", etc.
Further thank you very much for your supportive response and i wil be in contact with you again, because i know that lot of other issues must be waiting for me where I'll be needing your valuable opinions.
Thank you for that feedback, I am glad that one way or the other, you got your answer.
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