Critics of Jehovah`s Witnesses/Evidence as a Basis for Reasoning

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QUESTION: I am back with the Jehovah's witness girl I already mentioned a couple of weeks ago. Everything seems just normal and fine, though I don't know if I should consider her as my best friend or my girlfriend.
However, I am making my own investigation on the Jehovah's witnesses and found out pretty good stuff at looking at military databases and several archives classified documents. I know that Joseph Franklin Rutherford is an odd man with the thirst of a psychotic as I read several reports on him. I am going to infiltrate several congregations overseas and be my own detective.

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Ventus

ANSWER: Dear Ventus,

It sounds like you plan to discover more evidence, and use that as a basis for reasoning. Please keep in mind that evidence as a basis for reasoning is the methodology of rational minds, and does not take into consideration the methodology of condition-driven minds, or even emotion-driven ones. In many cases, it doesn't matter to a fully-indoctrinated Witness what evidence you might find, however convincing it may be. All that matters is where the evidence comes from. Since they measure veracity by it's source, whatever the leadership says is thereby labelled in their minds as "true" and whatever opponents of their leadership say is labelled as "false". There is no critical thinking faculty left within a fully-indoctrinated Witness which would allow him to evaluate evidence on it's own merit. One must first address the conditioning before expecting evidence and reasoning to play it's part.

Best wishes,
AndrewXJW

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QUESTION: I know their leadership and it has been corrupted by a psychopath. From several cases, with their beliefs there could be a case of mass murder that people are not aware of. Someone needs to bring them to a reason, and I believe that if I do it just not as a man, I will be able to prevent them from spoiling the world. Read several news cases on jehovah's witness that murders and it did shock me! The evidence I got is private and 99% reliable as I use to solve several cases on it. Those who are fully-indoctrinated can be reasoned, but by using their own fears. As for baptised, I believe the water they go swimming into, has got a special product on it, if i'm right then that could be the cause of them acting like zombies.

Kind Regards
Ventus

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Dear Ventus,

If there were a psychoactive agent in the baptismal water used by Witnesses, it would be effective for a limited time period, as with all psychoactive agents. Therefore it would not explain the psychological controls leading up to baptism, and those that remain long after. (Baptism among Witnesses occurs only once in a lifetime.)

Researchers on cult mind control such as Robert J. Lifton, Margaret Singer, and many others, have already described the mechanisms that cause cult members to "act like zombies" so there is little mystery left among those in the know. Now it is primarily a matter of disseminating such knowledge to a broader range of persons, so that the public can protect themselves from the effects of cult tactics at the moment in time that it matters for them personally.

It is too late to "prevent" the Witnesses from spoiling the world, as they and other cults have already done so. I admire and support your wish to prevent them from spoiling it FURTHER. May you be successful in your research and anti-cult efforts.

Best wishes,
AndrewXJW

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I don't object to Witness theology, but rather their use of social pressure & deceptive manipulations to undermine family ties and control minds. (This may seem contradictory to Witnesses, who draw no distinction between spiritual belief and organizational policy.) I do not engage in theological debate. I support persons impacted by an experience with the Witnesses and advocate early education for everyone so that they can protect themselves from cults by understanding what to watch out for. (It's not what most people think.)

(Ex-)Witnesses: I know how upsetting it is to experience doubts (or anger) about your experience. Time does not heal this wound until you first remove the splinter, which takes more time and effort than you may realize. So, unless you have already put in that time and effort, don't be surprised if you are deeply affected long after the experience. But there is good news! You're NOT an enemy of God for doubting or for failing to meet the requirements of a human organization. An organization that lies cannot be the exclusive spokesman for the God of Truth. Tell me where you're at. I'll understand. I can show you how to begin or continue your recovery and make a life for yourself worth living.

Non-Witnesses: Describe your experience with your friend/relative who is (becoming) a Witness. I can help you understand the Witness indoctrination and social dynamics that are affecting him or her. I can help you put your options into perspective. Keep in mind that people do make their own choices (even though they may sometimes do so under outside influence) and you may not be able to affect this person's choices, even though they impact on you. After all, you do not have the arsenal of tactics that a cult does (and wouldn't want to). A few people manage to save their friend/relative, but don't count on it. What you can count on is navigating the maze more successfully by becoming more informed about your own options.

Experience

I was a Witness for 30 years, and a volunteer at their headquarters in Brooklyn, New York, for a year. I have attended meetings with many Witness congregations across the United States, a thorough cross-section, carefully observing patterns of behavior. Although being a Witness was difficult, and I gradually had more and more doubts about Witness teachings--I was a true believer, so I kept trying to make it work somehow. I stopped attending meetings in 1997 only after receiving an answer to a prayer about doing so, and have since been actively involved in recovery. This includes both my own and supporting others in theirs. Recovery can include reading books, communicating with others in recovery, and participating in support groups and/or therapy. It always involves reclaiming one's own mind and discovering the other sides of the issues that you have been blinded to in the past.

My gradual awakening was socially, psychologically, and spiritually tumultuous. I lost everything from my former life. My suffering was substantial.

But I have gained everything, so it was worth it. Only after beginning my recovery did I gain social, psychological, and spiritual healing and growth, peace of mind, and self-respect. Only then did I discover who I am; and--for the first time--the meaning of real brotherly love.

For more resources on this topic, try these web sites:
http://freeminds.org/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freedomofmind/



Education/Credentials
Like most Cult Recovery Counselors, I am a cult survivor. I have life experience, not professional training. Also I feel no need to apologize for that. People with professional training cannot understand what it is like to survive a cult unless they have been through it themselves, which few professional therapists have. Understanding what really happened and what works in this unusual social context is as important as psychological training. Most professional therapists are not specifically trained to support cult survivors. Those who are represent a rare and precious resource.

I sometimes refer people to professional therapists regarding deep personal issues. But surviving a cult is a broad experience with other dimensions. Professional therapy can be very helpful as part of your recovery process, assuming that you choose the right therapist. When choosing a therapist, remember that you are the client and they are a service provider. You are the one who holds authority about the relationship. You get to interview the therapist and decide which one to employ.

Be sure to ask what specific training and experience they have around recovery from cult mind control. Most therapists do not have relevant training. Some carry serious misunderstandings about what cult mind control is; and therefore will misunderstand your struggle. So it pays to be selective as a consumer of professional therapy services.

Past/Present Clients
The Witness organization is not like other churches. Most non-Witnesses really cannot imagine what it is like to be a Witness. The organization has unimaginably extensive rules and monitoring that affect every aspect of life, so there is no privacy and no sense of personal independence. "Independent thought" is considered their greatest "sin".

The organization insists on absolute conformity, and claims to directly represent God; so dissent is not tolerated, and authority is totalitarian. Being a Witness is more like living in China or the former Soviet Union than being a member of a religion as you know it. It was the research of Robert J. Lifton, who was studying--not religions--but totalitarian governments, who first began to illuminate the problem of religious cults around the world, which employ exactly the same tactics as totalitarian governments. His work remains a cornerstone for Cult Recovery Counselors still today. (This may be why many governments are tolerant of cults, to avoid exposing their own control tactics.)

Witnesses often experience unusually dysfunctional lives and an extensive array of personal problems stemming from broken family ties, stunted social development, inner unrest resulting from repressed doubts, inability to defend boundaries, and an extreme, persistent feeling of irrational shame. I can help people impacted by an experience with the Witnesses by revealing in detail the policies and social dynamics in the Witness organization that cause these problems.

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