Expert: Andrew - 6/16/2007

Question
QUESTION: Richard is correct in his thinking and so am I.God does have an visible organization here on earth run by imperfect humans,and He also has a heavenly organization,so what's so hard about that to believe?If anyone is arrogant you should take a look in the mirror.Do you honestly believe Jehovah God loves you for what you have become?If you do you are fooling yourself and suffering from insanity.The Bible plainly reads how he feels toward someone who has turned his back on Him,yes I mean we are one,Him and us(the whole organization). Him and us all know who he hates and that is an apostate,which you are in your present state,and that my friend makes you no different than Judas Iscariot and the Devil himself.The Bible mentions your type and the harm you will do to the rest of the congregation with all the power you possess.Just because you belive you are living a good honest life does not make you a friend of God because you and your acts make you a part of the world,and that is an enemy with God.You are in the same category as the atheists are who believe man over God.If you want to believe that we are a cult with some unbelievable mind control abilities,
well that's your problem your gonna have to live and die with.If you access the status of your life I am sure you'll
find from knowing as a former JW that the Bible has a large list of things if one is practicing will not inherit God's Kingdom,and if you go through that list you probably will see what you real status of your life is.God said that he desires none to be destroyed,but desires all to attain to repentance,but that might be pushing it in your case because
a willful sinner commits the unforgivable sin.So don't think God loves you right now because he doesn't.Back in Noah's day there were people who thought like you thinking as long as I live a good honest life and treat other people good,but did not worship Jehovah as a people together as his organization,which many back then we good upstanding citizens,but after 120 years of preaching to them and building an ark for 50 years,they still thought God loved them and couldn't possibly destroy them,well you know the story,God did destroy them even if they claimed they loved God and believed God loved them.So in the end will be the same as it was before,either worship Jehovah God whole-heartedly and whole-souled or suffer the consequences.God hasn't changed,He's the same now as he always has been.

ANSWER: Dear Mr. Janko,

> Richard is correct in his thinking and so am I.God does
> have an visible organization here on earth run by
> imperfect humans,and He also has a heavenly
> organization,so what's so hard about that to believe?

It's not hard to believe that God might have an organization, what's hard to believe is your assertion that it is your organization, when you offer no evidence to support such an assertion.

What is the evidence that your organization is "God's visible organization"? In what specific communique did God appoint your organization to such a position? Would not such an appointment be designating a prophet? Is your organization a prophet of God? Your official literature says it is not. Is your organization inspired of God? Your official literature says it is not. So if not appointed, and not specially inspired, then on what basis do you make such a sweeping claim? Based on my many years of experience with Jehovah's Witnesses, I know you have no such basis; but pray tell do answer for the sake of our readers.

To claim to be appointed by God without any such direct appointment amounts to presumptuousness. To claim to represent God is the most presumptuous claim any human can make. I may be "insane" for disagreeing with you; but at least I don't claim to speak for God.

> Do you honestly believe Jehovah God loves you for what you
> have become?If you do you are fooling yourself and
> suffering from insanity.

Yes God loves me. He cannot do otherwise, for God is Love. What I have become is no cause for shame as you imply. I only oppose the deceptive policies of your organization, not God. I need make no apologies for who I have become. I am an honorable man working hard to make the world a better place, volunteering significant amounts of time to promote freedom of mind and family integrity. I am a man who God strengthens day by day. Thanks for asking.

> The Bible plainly reads how he feels toward someone who
> has turned his back on Him,yes I mean we are one,Him and
> us(the whole organization). Him and us all know who he
> hates and that is an apostate,which you are in your
> present state,and that my friend makes you no different
> than Judas Iscariot and the Devil himself.

(Yawn) Oh my, what strong words. (I only feign surprise, however, as I have heard them all before.) Since I disagree with your organization, which you equate with God, you assume I have turned my back on God and am an agent of the Devil, yes, yes. But you have not shown that your organization is to be equated with God; and you cannot or you would have done so already.

> The Bible mentions your type and the harm you will do to
> the rest of the congregation with all the power you
> possess.

Now, Mr. Janko, you are using a mind game that is familiar to me. You refer to an idea which supposedly comes from the Bible and therefore carries more weight than any one man's opinion, and you apply it to me, diverting attention from the fact that it was you--a man--who exercised the interpretation, who expressed an opinion that a verse applies to me (without even citing or quoting a specific verse).

You pretend you have not inserted yourself into the matter, but of course you have; as you are the one making the analogy. You have not even cited or quoted the Bible; so there is nothing but you in your expression.

The bible does not mention me nor describe my work; because the bible does not anticipate that any organization would ever arise that tries to control it's members to the extreme degree that cults today such as yours do. Cult mind control is not mentioned in the bible, and therefore anti-cult activism which attempts to preserve families and promote freedom of mind is also not mentioned in the bible. These things are modern inventions which did not exist during the writing of the Bible.

> Just because you belive you are living a good
> honest life does not make you a friend of God because you
> and your acts make you a part of the world,and that is an
> enemy with God.

I did not say I am a friend of God; rather I said God loves me. He loves me not because of who I am but because of who HE is. I do not carry any special merit that makes me deserving of love. It is not possible for humans to carry any such merit. I do not try to earn God's love. I don't have to. This is the one great mystery you will never understand: LOVE DOESN'T HAVE A REASON; AND CANNOT BE EARNED OR DISEARNED regardless of our actions.

You try to earn what is already freely given, and "endure" a "trialsome" life you attribute to the Devil, but which you have actually made for yourself while waiting for a hollow future promise; and in so doing put on blinders to the gifts God showers upon you every day.

Yes we are all part of the world, including you. But that's not a problem as you imply, because God "loved the world so much he gave his only begotten son", remember? It is always the vehement judgement you embrace, and always the love you forget. Which is God again?

> You are in the same category as the atheists are who
> believe man over God.If you want to believe that we are a
> cult with some unbelievable mind control abilities
> well that's your problem your gonna have to live and die
> with

I have not believed men over God. I believed God when he told me I should leave your organization.

No man has told me that your organization is a cult. I discovered that for myself. Mind control tactics are not mere assertions, they are organizational policy in your case. You have simply not considered how your invasive controls into the minds and private lives of your members is abusive and damaging to them, nor the possibility that your organizational dogma might be wrong, and therefore forcefully misguiding millions of people.

> If you access the status of your life I am sure you'll
> find from knowing as a former JW that the Bible has a
> large list of things if one is practicing will not inherit
> God's Kingdom,and if you go through that list you probably
> will see what you real status of your life is.

This is where we differ, Mr. Janko. You believe it is your place to assert yourself into the spiritual sensibilities of others and re-orient them. IT IS NOT YOUR PLACE NOR MINE. No one with authority to do so appointed you to such a place. What that Bible message means is mine to read and savor and interpret every bit as much as it is yours.

You are interpreting it wrong. We need not discuss the particulars, because spirituality is a private matter. It is not our place as neighbors on this planet to assertively attempt to re-orient the spiritual sensibilities of one another, as Witnesses arrogantly do.

> God said that he desires none to be destroyed,but desires
> all to attain to repentance,but that might be pushing it
> in your case because a willful sinner commits the
> unforgivable sin.

And you still cannot get past the equation that
WitnessOrganization=God. That is a false equation, Mr. Janko, which is the heart of our conversation. I do not sin against God by exposing the deception of a man-made organization which destroys families and overwhelms free choice through mind control tactics.

Would you like some examples of how Witnesses do this? I have elaborated them in detail in past message for all to see, but would be happy to do so again. Cite any one of Robert J. Lifton's "Eight Marks of a Mind Control Cult" and I will illustrate in detail how Witnesses practice it.

> So don't think God loves you right now because he doesn't.

So is it not correct to say "God is Love"? Or it is correct but somehow God, who is Love, can somehow not be what he is?

Of course God loves me. He cannot help but love every one of his creatures. It is your misprioritization of Jesus first comandment, "Love thy neighbor as thyself" that deludes you in this matter.

Among Witnesses, unconditional love is considered a sin. They are taught to "hate what God hates". But God is love, as taught by the Bible and Jesus Christ and every religious tradition on the face of our planet. So sophistry from Witnesses about 'how proper it is to hate' is meaningless and misguided.

Especially when speaking to a man who obeyed God and left the Witnesses when God told him to do so.

> Back in Noah's day there were people who thought like you
> thinking as long as I live a good honest life and treat
> other people good,but did not worship Jehovah as a people
> together as his organization,which many back then we good
> upstanding citizens,but after 120 years of preaching to
> them and building an ark for 50 years,they still thought
> God loved them and couldn't possibly destroy them,well you
> know the story,God did destroy them even if they claimed
> they loved God and believed God loved them.So in the end
> will be the same as it was before,either worship Jehovah
> God whole-heartedly and whole-souled or suffer the
> consequences.

No there were no people like me in Noah's day, and there were no people like you. Cults--like you--destroying families and playing hopelessly convoluted mind games upon themselves and others did not exist in Noah's day. And anti-cult activists--like me--trying to preserve families and expose such convoluted deception did not exist either. The sick game you play is a modern invention; and therefore the medicine to cure it is also a modern invention.

You have been saying for over 130 years that these are like the days of Noah, so join us on our ark! It may be true that these are like the days of Noah. But yours is no ark of salvation. If you consider the evidence, you will see that it is a vessel of deception and control exactly like George Orwell warned against in his book "1984". I was a teenager in high school when I first read that book; and it made me very angry. Why did it make me so angry, Mr. Janko? I had never visited a totalitarian country, so I had no personal experience with totalitarian control. Or had I?

In fact, it was my direct personal experience with totalitarian controls of Jehovah's Witnesses upon their membership which made me so angry about deceptive controlling practices of one group of people upon another. I did not consciously realize at that time that this was the source of my personal experience and emotional reaction; because I was wearing blinders at that time, as most Witnesses have to continue wearing every day of their lives in order to stay "faithful" to an organization which betrays it's primary principles of love and truth by reframing hatred as love and lies as truth.

God is Love, and does not operate in such a way. He does not need to control and manipulate and lie to us and destroy our families in order to "save" us. Since you do these things, and God would not, your organization cannot represent God's ark, even if there is such a thing today, which is again only your interpretation.

Noah was a prophet of God, appointed directly by God to do what he did. Is the Witness organization a prophet of God in this way? It's official literature says it is not. So from what specific communique do you draw the conclusion that your organization has been appointed to such a task?

Show me God's signature. Tell me the exact words he spoke to you. Or retract your apostasy in claiming to speak for my Papa. He is the father of every creature on this planet, and will shepherd every creature with love no matter how poorly your organization understands the meaning of such shepherding.

> God hasn't changed,He's the same now as he always has
> been.

People have changed. Today they use mental devices like black and white thinking to assertively attempt to re-orient one another's spiritual sensibilities.

You introduce an artificial either-or situation, then make one a straw man, indefensible and ridiculous-looking, in order to "prove" that the "only" other alternative is your favorite interpretation. Do you not see yourself using deceptive manipulations? Probably not, they are omnipresent to those influenced by cult thinking, and so they become routine.

I am supposed to believe that since God is eternal, he will act the same today, in entirely different circumstances, that he did thousands of years ago? God may be eternal, but the world has changed, and people have changed.

We no longer trust in God, nor our own moral center, nor our own capacity for Love to outweigh our differences. Especially you Jehovah's Witnesses. You do not trust God, you fear him, you presume to speak for him, and abandon your moral center because of your desperation to save lives at any cost. Is God really so helpless that he needs you to do such things?

Love is all that matters. Jehovah's Witnesses are not agents of God because they abandon love and embrace judgement far too easily, playing foolish mind games upon themselves and others, reframing hateful betrayals such as shunning as "acts of love". Conditional love, the kind that exists among Witnesses, is false.

John 13:35 says "By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." Since Jehovah's Witnesses have no real love among them, they are not Christ's true disciples. So all this high-horse condescending talk from you, Mr. Janko, is quite beyond the authority given to you.

May all people discover the connection to the divine within them rather than submitting to abusers in the hope of a wisp of a genuine spiritual experience that never comes. A true experience of God cannot occur, but rather is squashed in a controlling deceptive environment where families are destroyed and gestapo tactics are used against faithful and unfaithful alike.

God does not need posers to speak for him. His ways are far above yours.

May God grant me to forgive the abuse men like you have committed against millions like me who trusted you.

Best wishes,
AndrewXJW

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QUESTION: Jesus Christ started God's visible organization back in the 1st century but after the last apostle died the great apostasy began with the weeds mixing in the the wheat as impostors or false Christians,but not until the 4th century
under the rulership of Emperor Constantine make everyone who were true Christians then forced into the church and state situation and abiding to the written creeds by the so-called fathers,which to this very day all your churches of Christendom adhere to even though it is not taken from the Holy Scriptures but through non-inspired men who wrote them.
These creeds were spiced up with all your traditions of men
that include all the pagan holidays,birthdays,and such as being part of true worship and nothing wrong with it.Yes Jesus said that you will know who his true disciples were if they had love among themselves,well guess what,we are the only group of people on the earth that fit such a profile.We have learned war no more and beat our swords into plowshares and spears into pruning shears,that no on else on this earth has done,and we are the only people who
preach God's Kingdom as the only answer to mankind's problems
and the way to true happiness and peace,who do not put their trust in a man-made kingdom,such as the United Nations
to bring those things to a reality,which the rest of the world does put their trust and not God's Kingdom.The first and greatest commandment is not to love your neighbor,it is the second in line,the number one is to love Jehovah your God with your whole heart,soul,mind and strength.To love God is to obey all his commandments and that hey are not burdensome,and how can a person say he loves God,who he cannot see,but hate his brother who he can see?Yes God is love,the personification of love that he alone is.We love because we were made in His image and must be holy because he is Holy.To get back to the organization,after the great apostasy,that existed up until Jesus came back to inspect the earth to see if he could find anyone doing God's will despite the fact being among false religion worldwide,he found a small group who were his true disciples that he appointed as the faithful and discreet slave as God's visible organization on earth.So if God did not want earthly men to make up his visible organization,then Jesus wouldn't came back to set it up.God is a God of order.When you do a total analysis of who on earth are these ones,you will find that they sure aren't any of your religions of Christendom or any other false religion that met the standards Jesus was looking for,but only the handful of JW's
at that time that did.Jesus was looking for those who heeded those first two commandments he gave before he ascended to heaven,along with what he said in his prayer to his Father,the Our Father or Lord's Prayer,which says it all.The sanctification of God's name,or to make Holy and to have his universal sovereignty vindicated through his Messianic Kingdom and his will being done in heaven and on earth.The whole theme of the Bible is based on the Lord's Prayer when you put it all together.Just to put a Biblical
perspective on your denial of an organization that God uses as his channel,take a gander at what we have to say about it in this article:
God Has an Organization

DOES the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ have a visible organization representing him on the earth in these days? If so, which is it? Certainly, he would not have many organizations, all teaching doctrines and dogmas at variance with one another. “God is a God, not of disorder, but of peace,” wrote Christ’s apostle Paul. (1 Cor. 14:33) So, which is the organization that most evidently reflects the God of peace and truth?

As we examine the claims of the various religious sects, we do well to keep in mind Jesus’ warning that not all professing to worship God as his followers would prove to be truly servants of God. Said he: “Many will say to me in that day [of judgment], ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness.”—Matt. 7:22, 23.

The whole imposing façade of Christendom’s religious sects, great and small, does indeed appear to be outwardly beautiful, with its claims to sanctity and to be doing the work commissioned by Christ. But what results from investigation behind that front? Do Christendom’s church organizations stand up under the searching light of God’s requirements? Have the powerful works they have performed been done in harmony with the principles of righteousness and truth?

THE CRITERION

Christ Jesus did not leave his followers without a dependable test whereby profession of Christianity could be determined to be true or false. The identifying mark of true Christianity, the criterion by which religious organizations may be properly judged, was expressed by Jesus, as recorded at John 13:35: “By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.”

Here is a test we can justly apply to every religious group that professes to be subject to Jesus Christ! Would you say that persons who go out on the battlefields and kill fellow church members because they happen to be of a different nationality meet that test? Is it a demonstration of love among themselves? You must agree that it is not. Then, ask yourself if members of your denomination have been and are guilty of such conduct. If yes, then they fail to measure up to the standard set by Christ. And organizations that condone such lack of love do not represent the God of peace.

And what about those religious groups whose members ignore the Bible’s direction to avoid friendship with the world and get involved in the feuds and rivalries of political parties? (Jas. 4:4) Members of the same religious group belong to opposing parties and by their very membership condone the fights and the name-calling that mark the scramble for political office. Do members of your congregation engage in such political skirmishing against one another? If they do, then the organization in which they claim to worship cannot be the congregation of Christ, the Prince of Peace, who declared of his genuine followers: “If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, on this account the world hates you.”—John 15:19.

There are other groups of so-called followers of Christ who withdraw from the world, it is true, but who indulge in a religion of contemplation, whether within the walls of a monastery or outside. But, are they obedient to the mandate given by Christ to all true Christians: “Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations”? (Matt. 28:19) If they fail to obey this commandment, then it is manifest that they do not love Christ. (John 14:15) And it follows that they are no part of the organization under Christ that represents God on earth today.

IDENTIFYING GOD’S ORGANIZATION

But is there an organization among men that does measure up to the requirements of God’s Word, the Bible? Is there an organization whose members are drawn together in love for one another, in total disregard of class, race, nationality, language or other distinctions? And does such organization engage in a worldwide preaching and teaching program, extending to the poorest citizens the opportunity to advance in Bible knowledge? Yes, there is such an organization—only one! It is the organization of Jehovah’s witnesses, well known by their preaching work in 197 lands.

What are the facts to prove this? Consider a few of them. Within the congregation of Jehovah’s witnesses in any area there is no class distinction. The poorer and the more prosperous members mingle freely and serve together as preachers and teachers of God’s Word. All Witnesses have equal opportunity to speak up in congregational Bible discussions. When the Witnesses come together for their large assemblies they eat together, worship together and associate as one great happy family—just as though they had known one another all their lives. People on the outside marvel at the fact that they ‘have love among themselves.’

In another respect the Witnesses conform to what the Bible presents as the true image of the organization that would be doing God’s will on earth. They are engaged in preaching the good news of God’s kingdom world wide, stressing that that Kingdom—and not the United Nations or any other human organization—is the sole hope for suffering humankind. Besides heralding this hope to the ends of the earth as foretold (Matt. 24:14), Jehovah’s witnesses are also busied in the work of teaching appreciative persons about Christ’s commands, making disciples of them. This public ministry, too, was foretold as a vital service of Christ’s genuine followers.—Matt. 28:19, 20.

Thus it may be seen that the Witnesses are not a group of people who come together once a week to listen to a brief sermon and then go home and forget all about it. No, they are an active people, each one a minister of the good news, having a keen sense of his personal responsibility to preach and teach. They do not leave it to one in their congregation to do all the preaching. They know it is God’s purpose that each one preached to should, in turn, become a preacher of the good news to someone else. They fully appreciate these words of the apostle Paul: “The things you heard from me . . . these things commit to faithful men, who, in turn, will be adequately qualified to teach others.”—2 Tim. 2:2.

People are amazed at how even young men and women are trained in the congregations of Jehovah’s witnesses to know and use their Bibles effectively. These young people have not spent several years at a college studying theology and human philosophies. But they can explain to people what is God’s will for men and show them how to apply God’s Word in their lives. They credit God as their Teacher, shunning all pride in human learning.—Isa. 54:13.

Should not the whole congregation of Christians on earth today be witnesses of God and of Christ? Christ Jesus himself devoted his life to witnessing about God and his purposes—so much so that he received the official title “the Faithful Witness.” (Rev. 1:5) He, in turn, informed his disciples: “You will be witnesses of me . . . to the most distant part of the earth.” (Acts 1:8) This is precisely the work to which Jehovah’s witnesses, collectively and individually, are devoted. They have dedicated their lives to God, and so they have taken upon themselves the obligation to be his witnesses.—Isa. 43:10-12.

Yes, Jehovah’s witnesses in their congregations around the world fit the description in the Bible of the organization on earth that would be representing God and Christ in these critical “last days.” (2 Tim. 3:1) But are you one of them? You can be, but the opportunity is now greatly reduced, for the time is short. It is urgent for you to act so that you may be aligned with the people who are serving the interests of God’s kingdom today, because soon God’s judgment is to be executed upon the wicked and all impostors who profess to be God’s servants. (2 Tim. 3:13) Delaying to act will prove to be fatal. But swift action can open up for you many happy privileges in the service of God’s earthly organization, as well as hope of survival through the Armageddon crisis that now confronts the whole human race.

ANSWER: Dear Mr. Janko,

There is nothing in your long tedious propaganda statement which shows that God explicitly appointed your organization to a position of representing him. It is only YOUR INTERPRETATION which insists this is the case. This is why your claim is a complicated lie.

No amount of intellectual reasoning can compensate for the fact that your organization WAS NOT APPOINTED to the position it claims of representing God. Therefore YOU DO NOT REPRESENT GOD.

Without a specific communique from God you cannot truthfully say that your human organization is appointed by God to be "His" organization. Without explicit appointment, a claim to represent God is FALSE. Anyone can make reasonable-sounding claims. It is only an explicit appointment which would legitimately set apart one such claim from another.

Convoluted propaganda is simply a net into which minds become ensnared and spirits become lost. This is the meaning of the Celtic knot symbol. In the tradition of the Celtic knot, you are using confusion to entrap minds and spirits. But that tradition was meant to be used against evil spirits in order to protect the innocent, while you are using the same method against the innocent to promote a private agenda.

You are using confusion to entrap the minds and spirits of good people who would otherwise be finding God without you. This is a most reprehensible act.

To your convoluted propaganda, I say "No thank you". I have heard it all before; and remain ready to expose each of the many the mind games in your arsenal. The fact that you and every one of your people use such mind games without even being aware of them illustrates how you are under the influence of something insidious.

Clarity and honesty and love and connection are more valuable than confusion and deception and judgement and division.

By "Occam's Razor", the maxim of logic which basically states "the simpler of two explanations is the truth", your convoluted propaganda demonstrates itself false by comparison to my simple statements here.

The divine spirit within each human does not need more and more busy thoughts (as you advocate) in order to know what really matters. We rather need only to quiet the busy thoughts and focus upon our connection with God in prayer to know what really matters.

God will show us each the way. If it is God's will that we join you, and we quiet our minds of busy thoughts, he will tell us so. So far he has told me the opposite.

God's direct response to our prayers, bearing witness to each human soul as is only his to do, carries far more weight than your propaganda efforts. Real spiritual experience is more meaningful than the intense intellectual processing which your people label as "spirituality".

Best wishes,
AndrewXJW

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QUESTION: The only thing left for me to say in closing is that all you base your reasonings and logic on is another man's and not God.All the books you have read were not written with God in mind and at the most are not true Christians doing God's will.The Bible says do not put your trust in nobles
whom you are doing and all along think that it might be pleasing to God to misrepresent him and his organization.You my friend are up the river without a paddle.Your mind has been blinded and has allowed to Devil to plant the seeds of doubt in you and it has succeeded in the reaping of which was sown in you.You believe from your doubts that you were not alone from the conclusion you have about God and his organization,so you found out that there is people out there
with your very thoughts,and you decided to run with it.There
so many people on our organization just like you we have to
throw out to keep the congregation clean,but there is always many more who step right in and take their place so there's nothing lost but more to gain,as the numbers continue to rise as the end nears.You and your cohorts are nothing but a drop in the bucket and can't even put the tiniest dent in you ridiculous campaign to lure anyone away who loves Jehovah and his organization.You may win a few battles in your quest,but the winner of the war is what really counts,
and because we out number you by the vast majority,well you don't stand a chance and you are just fooling yourself in your silly beliefs that your are actually going to accomplish something beneficial for you and your kind.All your doing is persecuting God's people that is the same as touching God's eyeball with a finger.We are all free moral agents with free will to either worship God or not the same decision Adam and Eve had to make,and if you know how the story goes it wasn't Jehovah who used mind games or mind control antics on them to coerce them into doing what they did,but it was God's main adversary Satan the Devil who did.
It's the same with you,it wasn't God telling you to leave him and his organization,but the father of the lie and the manslayer himself Satan.Why do you think he is called the angel of light?Because he can get to people like you like a puppet on a string.He can manipulate you into thinking that anything that you once thought was righteous and good into something is now wrong and bad,as he has done with you.He has really did a number on you and is laughing on his way to the lake on fire knowing he got one more of God's worshippers to follow him instead.As they say out there in the world,good luck with that,but know this,"everyone will have to know that I am Jehovah"in the end as it is written a number of times in the Bible as a reminder to all of us.
ANSWER: Dear Mr. Janko,

You have disregarded the most relevant statement I made to you. (This is what Witnesses do with information that does not fit tidily within their worldview.)

It was God who told me to leave the Witnesses, in answer to a prayer. It was God who continues to show himself to be loving and kind, contrary to the vehement & judgemental picture of him which you paint.

So I have listened to God rather than to the leadership of your organization, and you don't like that, because you prefer to believe that God and your leaders are saying the same thing. They're not.

> There so many people on our organization just like you
> we have to throw out to keep the congregation clean,
> but there is always many more who step right in and
> take their place so there's nothing lost but more to gain

This is irreconcilable with bible's statement that "God so loved the world that he gave his only-begotten son". Of course lost people are a loss.

But fortunately for me I am only lost to you and found to God, who is not at all the person you paint him to be based on your intellectual, non-spiritual, analytical processing of scriptural texts that are meant to be understood by a spiritual mind.

> you don't stand a chance and you are just fooling yourself
> in your silly beliefs that your are actually going to
> accomplish something beneficial for you and your kind.All
> your doing is persecuting God's people that is the same as
> touching God's eyeball with a finger.

You are not God's eyeball.

I have helped more people to recover from your spiritual abuse than you have convinced to submit to it. The benefits of my work are real. If I weren't blessed to be able to complete it, then someone else would be. Your work is doomed because you cannot control information anymore in the information age. More and more people are opening their minds and learning the truths you've hidden from them, thanks to God.

> it wasn't God telling you to leave him and his
> organization,but the father of the lie and the manslayer
> himself Satan.

This is what Witnesses say to any answer to any prayer which does not match their own dogma. The mind game is called "establishing veracity by the supposed source". If you can call into question the character of a person who says something, then you can easily dismiss his statements regardless of how cogent or well evidenced.

Since you don't like the message, you assume it comes from an untrustworthy source, never thinking to re-examine your dogma in the light of new evidence. Therefore it is YOU who is refusing to listen to God.

If the Devil is my father, then why are you doing his works? You are advocating control, hate, judgement, and division; while I am advocating freedom, love, understanding, and connectedness. You have lied by claiming your organization was appointed by God; and I have told the truth that God has never appointed a corporation or other organization to such a position.

He has appointed prophets. Do you have one to offer?

It is the outcome afterward that demonstrates who authored the work, is it not? You lead ten million people on a wild goose chase, after promises that have been delayed again and again due to your organization's misinterpretations. They live and die, generation after generation, hoping for a future that never comes. And in the meantime, under your care, they experience psychological, emotional, and spiritual injury due to the errors and imbalances of your dogma.

This is most recently illustrated by Jenney's experience recorded earlier today. See "View Past Answers" for details.

You are hurting them, not saving them. That is not God's work. You are so convinced of your dogma, and nothing will open your eyes to another perspective on God. You've described him all wrong, as he himself shows the world every day.

I have to believe God, not you. You are only a man, and a hateful one at that. You cannot serve God without understanding love, for God is Love. Witnesses cannot understand a thing they never experience, and cannot practice a thing which they teach to be a sin (unconditional love, which is the only real kind). This is why you cannot understand God. He IS the thing you despise: UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.

May God open your eyes to simple truth and your mind to simple freedom and your heart to simple love someday.

Best wishes,
Andrew

---------- FOLLOW-UP ----------

QUESTION: God does have an organization here on earth called the WTBTS
with the faithful and discreet slave class.There is not another one like in the world,and as I pointed out in a previous response,that Jesus Christ,whom is appointed by his Father has in turn appointed humans on earth as his organization.Why is that so hard for you to understand?
The Congregation of God,The Israel of God,The Bride of Christ or Body of Christ are one in the same that is God's visible organization here on earth until they are all bought and sealed and placed in heaven,then they will became co-rulers as kings and priests with Jesus for a thousand years in God's Kingdom to rule over the earth with all who come out of the great tribulation,whom are called the great crowd or other sheep.So if you honestly believe
there is no appointed organization here on earth right now and it isn't the WTBTS,then you can't be any part of the only two groups that God favors.You must be a part of either
of these two groups or you will not be saved.The Bible makes it perfectly clear that there only two roads,one that leads to everlasting life and the other to everlasting destruction.One has few on it and the other has many on it.
When you compare us with our nearly seven million to the nearly seven billion on the earth you can clearly see who is the few and who is the many.Since you are adamant that it was God that told you to leave his organization in a pray
you must realize what you were asking was not in harmony with his will knowing that God does not listen to apostates prayers.Anyhow if you are associated with any other religion
then you already know that they are false and part of Babylon the Great with the pagan doctrines and the adherence to the Nicene Creed and others as well,which is not from God's Word the Bible,but made-up by man.Also if you think you can worship God on your own,well your wrong there too.The Bible states you must not isolate yourself.
Again and again all your references are not Bible related
but taken from the books you have read written by people who do not believe in God,such as atheists and evolutionists
creationists,etc.and not sole supporters of the Bible which happens to be God's Word written by men under inspiration by God.Since you do use some scriptural along nonscriptural,
it cancels each other out,this makes you a hypocrite and an
apostate to boot.
ANSWER: Dear Mr. Janko,

> God does have an organization here on earth called the
> WTBTS

This is unsubstantiated assertion, as I have demonstrated.

> There is not another one like in the world

There are many organizations which claim to represent God whose assertions are JUST LIKE YOURS.

> Jesus Christ,whom is appointed by his Father has in turn
> appointed humans on earth as his organization.

Which humans has Christ appointed? By what method did Christ appoint these humans? Did he make a dove hover over their heads? Did he make an earthquake and a bright ray of sunlight shine upon them as they rose from their baptism?
Has he poured oil on their heads? Has he given them an inspired vision? If the answer is "no" to all of the above (as is suggested in your official literature), then there was no such appointment, and you are stll making unsubstantiated assertions.

> Why is that so hard for you to understand?

It's not that I have trouble understanding you, Mr. Janko, it's rather that you are not providing credible support for your wild claims--as I have exhaustively demonstrated--and I choose not to embrace lies. Repeating yourself does not increase your credibility.

> if you honestly believe there is no appointed
> organization here on earth right now and it isn't the
> WTBTS,then you can't be any part of the only two groups
> that God favors. You must be a part of either of these two
> groups or you will not be saved.

This is black-and-white thinking with a straw man argument again. Your interpretation based on your interpretation. This does not lend weight to your argument.

> The Bible makes it perfectly clear that there only two
> roads,one that leads to everlasting life and the other to
> everlasting destruction.One has few on it and the other
> has many on it.

It is your interpretation that this passage is to be taken literally, and your interpretation that it applies to an eschatological event in our era.

> Since you are adamant that it was God that told you to
> leave his organization in a pray you must realize what you
> were asking was not in harmony with his will knowing that
> God does not listen to apostates prayers.

Asking God what his will is cannot be "out of harmony" with his will. This is a logical non-sequitur. Your assignment of the term "apostate" to me is another unsubstantiated assertion. I have not turned my back on God by doing as God has directed. You have turned your back on God by refusing to listen to divine expressions that do not fit your worldview and by practicing judgement rather than unconditional love.

> Also if you think you can worship God on your own,well
> your wrong there too.The Bible states you must not isolate
> yourself.

You are really grasping at straws here, Mr. Janko, drawing conclusions based on interpretations based on speculation about topics we have not even discussed. What makes you feel so desperate? If you do not have more substantial things to say, please discontinue.

> Again and again all your references are not Bible related

They don't have to be bible related. When God bears witness to our souls now--in our own lives--we don't have to rely exclusively on words that were written thousands of years ago. God's living word today as he answers our prayers is more tangible and immediate than your interpretation of another man's translation of another man's experience supposedly attributed to God that may be a parable. Not all spiritual and godly people believe that the bible is to be taken literally word for word, and that's OK. I have not claimed to adhere to that paradigm. You seem to be stuck in it.

> Since you do use some scriptural along nonscriptural,
> it cancels each other out,this makes you a hypocrite and
> an apostate to boot.

I suppose you mean, in your judgement, I am a "hypocrite" for believing the bible is a spiritual guide meant to be understood spiritually rather than intellectually.

Based on common English usage, actually I think the expression you're fishing for is "figurative intepreter". That would be the expression that fits logically into your context anyway.

"Hypocrite", actually means "a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs."

This does not apply because I did not claim to embrace the "virtue" of being a literal interpreter such as yourself. It also doesn't apply because I do not claim to be virtuous in any way. My virtue or lack thereof is irrelevant. So is yours. That is only ego anyway. Let's side step the ego for a moment.

We were discussing the question of WHAT EVIDENCE EXISTS THAT YOUR ORGANIZATION WAS APPOINTED BY GOD, and you have provided none. That is the simple conclusion honest observers are left to.

Where proving your case fails, you attempt to assassinate my character by spewing bile. That really isn't good for your health, Mr. Janko. And it doesn't harm me even a little.

Further it employs the deceptive tactic of disregarding a message by impugning the messenger; which is really not at all meaningful in terms of addressing the unanswered question I posed to you.

I think it's perfectly OK that you cannot answer the question in any substantial way. I have made peace with the fact that there is no such answer available. I suggest you do too.

You cannot claim appointment by God where God did not appoint you. The truth will set you free.

Best wishes,
Andrew

PS: God is Love.

---------- FOLLOW-UP ----------

QUESTION: The Israelites were God's first appointed organization on the earth whom he personally made a covenant with for them to be his special possession or property,and when they failed to accept the Messiah when he came,knowing full well
that all the prophecies led up to Jesus,denied him so Jehovah disowned them and made a new covenant that there would be a new organization,the Christian congregation of his true worshippers and true disciples of Jesus.Back then
after the formation of that congregation there was a governing body made up of elders and ministerial servants in each congregation.As I mentioned in an earlier response,
after the last apostle died a great apostasy set in that has lasted all this time except for a few whom did not lose their faith,and these are the ones who Jesus said he would be looking for when he returned to do an inspection that would be the faithful and discreet slave.This became God's
visible spirit-directed earthly organization.This is the WTBTS.God has always had an organization,whether it was in heaven where he directed the seraphs,cherubs,and angels,or on earth with those early Israelites with their priests and
Levite's,then he used Kings and prophets to make up his organizations.God doesn't change and he sure has an earthly
organization today as well.There will always be an earthly
organization now and forever because the Bible says that man
cannot direct his own footsteps.In the last book of the Bible,Revelation,it even shows the importance of his organization even during the thousand year reign of Christ when mankind is brought back to perfection,Christ and his co-rulers,the kings and priests in heaven will be the heavenly organization ruling over the earth.When you put all the pieces together you will come to the conclusion that
there for a certainty there is an organization that God uses both heavenly and earthly to accomplish his will.It just so happens that we are that organization that Jesus approved before his Father no matter how many past mistakes
they have made in any which way because knows we are a mere drop in the bucket and imperfect,just as his prophets,kings,
priests,apostles.etc,were down through the ages with all inherited sin.Just because we are God's people,we are not immuned to any things that affect all others.We have all the same problems that the churches of Christendom have and any of the other false religions have,but we bear his Most Holy name as no others do so he is ready and willing to forgive us in a large way.We have God's favor which no other group has on the earth today.No one tries to live up to his high standards more than we do and are willing to accept discipline and punishment when needed.This is the problem that a lot of people as yourself have not done,but have rebelled because you didn't get you way after having your own ideas that were not acceptable to our organization,
then started a personal rebellion that escalated into bigger and better things in your mind when you came across with people as yourself thinking you were right and the whole organization is wrong.
ANSWER: Dear Mr. Janko,

It is important to me not to attack the personal faith of any person. However it is also important to expose errors of policy that lead to the enslavement of millions.

I wish you could see the difference between your personal faith and the policies of your organization; which I consider a very significant difference. Your personal faith is between you and God, and I would like to leave you to whatever comforts are real to you.

However I do not have that luxury as long as you equate organizational policy with God's will. I critique your organizational policy which has injured so many in order to reduce their suffering, yet you hear me critiquing God because you cannot see a difference. How sad for you.

Yet I cannot concede to error. Your need to maintain your illusion must take a back seat to the need of millions to hear the truth, because freedom and family integrity for millions must take precedence over allowing you to maintain your sweet illusion.

Dear Readers,

The Jehovah's Witnesses are a sort of warrior religion, in the sense that they feel a strong need to defend their dogma from perceived attack, and a strong need to attack the faith of others. I have learned not to attack the faith of others where possible. Such a behavior is a trait I once had as a Witness. I wanted to grab ahold of other people's spiritual sensibilities and reorient them to see the truth I thought I was carrying. I don't do that anymore because I learned the error of it. It seems sad to me that Janko cannot both maintain his personal faith and do justice to his fellowman by recognizing proper boundaries; and that in order to defend the proper boundaries which the Witnesses attack, I must push back against him in this confrontational way.

> ...the faithful and discreet slave.This became God's
> visible spirit-directed earthly organization.This is the
> WTBTS.God has always had an organization...

I hear a man talking, not God. You have not shown a communique from God identifying your organization, rather you have presented your interpreted conclusion of why you believe your organization is special. Wherever an idea is open to interpretation, it can be interpreted many ways, and that is why there are many faiths claiming to be the one unique expression of God's way. One is not more valid than the other, unless it can prove a superior claim, such as by reason of a tangible communique from God himself. Perhaps such tangible communiques do exist in the world, but none exist to show that the Witnesses are uniquely God's one right way as Mr. Janko claims.

> When you put all the pieces together you will come to the
> conclusion that there for a certainty there is an
> organization that God uses both heavenly and earthly to
> accomplish his will. It just so happens that we are that
> organization...

Who will come to see this? You, Mr. Janko. And you are free to draw that conclusion for yourself personally. No one can rightly tell you what is "right" to believe about God. In choosing a personal belief for yourself, you are within your rights to determine this.

Where you step beyond your rights is when you say that ALL persons must draw the same conclusion as you have because only your interpretation is supposedly correct. This is fallacy and totalitarian.

The burden of proof is upon the person making an extraordinary claim. You are making such an extrarodinary claim, yet you have not provided any tangible evidence, only mountains of interpretation and propaganda. You do not have the moral authority, nor does your organization, to declare for all the world that only your interpretation is correct. You just don't.

The only thing that would legitimately grant you such moral authority would be a tangible communique from God, indicating such an appointment, which your organization has not received. It is presumptuousness to sell your idealogy with God's "signature" on it when he did not authorize such use of his "signature".

I don't need to prove my side, because I have made no extraordinary claim. You have to prove yours, yet you have not.

> We have God's favor which no other group has on the earth
> today. No one tries to live up to his high standards more
> than we do...

More extraordinary claims without evidence.

> No one tries to live up to his high standards more
> than we do and are willing to accept discipline and
> punishment when needed.This is the problem that a lot of
> people as yourself have not done,but have rebelled because
> you didn't get you way after having your own ideas that
> were not acceptable to our organization

Mr. Janko here refers to expulsion as "discipline". This is an example of how Witnesses reframe a hateful act as a loving act, as if cutting off a person and refusing to speak to them is for their own good.

He assumes I received such "discipline" from the Witness organization and rebelled against God upon receiving it. In fact I was not expelled, but rather I left their organization voluntarily when God instructed me to do so. It cannot reasonably be called "rebellion against God" to comply with God's instructions.

> you didn't get you way after having your own ideas that
> were not acceptable to our organization

After receiving a clear answer from God, I no longer needed the approval of the Witness organization, so I did not seek it. Therefore there was no desire to "get my own way" in terms of any disapproved idea.

Even under different circumstances, I would never have tried such a thing. No cult member ever goes to cult leadership asking for an idea to be approved; rather all ideas in cult organizations come from the top down, and free choice about whether to accept such ideas is not allowed. Cult leaders are completely disinterested in feedback from members about what is true, because they have set themselves up as the sole authority on what is true.

> ..that escalated into bigger and better things in your
> mind when you came across with people as yourself thinking
> you were right and the whole organization is wrong.

It is easy to label as "wrong" an extraordinary claim that comes with no evidence. The extraordinary claim that the Witness organization is God's organization, that is, that they are one and the same, requires extraordinary evidence, yet there is no evidence whatsoever.

It takes grand mind games for cult organizations to overcome this simple reality. This is why cult mind control is needed. Without it, cult organizations would have no hope of success in manipulating millions of followers.

That is why my faith in the organization waned to the point that I asked God whether I should stay among the Witnesses. When God answered my prayer in the negative, that is when I knew that my doubts were valid and began exploring the other sides of the issues the Witnesses had pressured me not to explore up until that time.

But this was not primarily a matter of determining which idealogy is more correct. Rather it was primarily a matter of working at personal recovery from pathological mental patterns and building a functional life for the first time.

A mind that is kept in a box cannot fathom what all sides of the issue look like. It is only after coming out of the box and allowing one's mind to expand and develop naturally that one can see from a higher vantage point.

May people like Janko find peace. May their hate and dogma not contaminate hearts. May truth and love prevail.

Best wishes,
Andrew

---------- FOLLOW-UP ----------

QUESTION: Do you call going out in the name of Jesus or God to slaughter one another in war games love?Because thus is the twisted philosophy you have come to use.You do not understand when Jesus said"you will know my disciples if they have love among theirselves"This is the only kind of
love(agape)that is acceptable in God's eyes.This is every sort of love balled up into one.We have this love where no one else does,and this is what sets us apart from the rest of the world REGARDLESS of the problems that arise within an
imperfect organization run by imperfect humans but used by God.Unconditional love does not mean you can love and still go kill someone.Now if you were ordered by your government to go to war,you would have to obey them and go kill or be killed because you have no conscientious objection to it.We on the other hand do.We are no part of the world and have conquered the world as Jesus said we would.You threw in the towel and gave up.I mentioned before that there is only two roads to choose from and also Jesus said he would separate the sheep from the goats.If you think you are on the road of life,then you better see if you are doing God's will and heeding all of Jesus'commands in every aspect of those words.You cannot be a slave to riches and a slave to God.
You are not preaching the Word of God,but preaching from books that you have read along with your own personal ideas
to prove yourself as a messenger of God,because clearly if you think that God told you to leave his organization and to do what you are doing,then you must honestly believe you are doing God's will.If you believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that what you have learned from all your book reading and research that doesn't come from God's Word the Bible,how
do you think God feels about the way you are being used as his messenger?

Answer
Dear Mr. Janko,

> Do you call going out in the name of Jesus or God to
> slaughter one another in war games love?

No. I haven't advocated that.

> Because thus is the twisted philosophy you have come to
> use.

No it isn't.

> You do not understand when Jesus said"you will know my
> disciples if they have love among theirselves"This is the
> only kind of love(agape)that is acceptable in God's
> eyes. This is every sort of love balled up into one.

I am not interested in your redefinitions of love. Love is a core human experience. We don't need definitions applied to it. Redefining something so central to human experience is a mind game. I don't need the bible to know what love is. I don't need you to know what love is. I know your kind of love from half a lifetime of experience with it; but you don't know the real love I found after leaving your people because you've never experienced it. How sad for you. Please don't be assertive about your greatest area of ignorance.

> We have this love where no one else does,and this is what
> sets us apart from the rest of the world REGARDLESS of the
> problems that arise within an imperfect organization run
> by imperfect humans but used by God.

My experience speaks in my ears louder than your words. What you have is an intellectualized form of "love" that allows you to act in completely unloving ways and call it "love". That is not what the Bible means by "agape". Your form of "love" is perverted and false.

> Unconditional love does not mean you can love and still go
> kill someone.Now if you were ordered by your government to
> go to war,you would have to obey them and go kill or be
> killed because you have no conscientious objection to
> it.

I agree unconditional love does not mean killing. It is a logical non-sequitur to say because I embrace unconditional love I have no conscientious objection.

> We on the other hand do.We are no part of the world and
> have conquered the world as Jesus said we would.

You are not the only people who have a conscientious objection to war. You like to frame your organization as unique in the world and therefore "no part of it", but there are many christian fundamentalist cults like yours. Jesus' words about having conquered the world as written in the bible were not meant to apply to Jehovah's Witnesses, an organization that came to exist over 1800 years after his death.

> You threw in the towel and gave up.

When one discovers one is on the wrong path, it is proper to change paths. I gave up following men who offer falsehood and manipulation and control, and for that I am grateful.

> I mentioned before that there is only two roads to choose
> from and also Jesus said he would separate the sheep from
> the goats.

It is your interpretation that there are only two roads. Your interpretation that the bible passage referring to "roads" applies to our era. Your interpretation that our choice today which organization to ally ourselves with reflects a choice for or against God. Your interpretation of the passage regarding "sheep and goats".

I don't need interpretations of an ancient text as my sole connection to God. I have a living God within me. So do you. How sad that you squash that part of yourself and instead intellectualize ancient texts to such an extreme degree.

> If you think you are on the road of life,then you better
> see if you are doing God's will and heeding all of
> Jesus'commands in every aspect of those words.

I am not travelling a road hoping to live some day. I am living now, with as much joy and blessing as I can, rather than throwing away the gift of life by deferring it to a future date that never comes.

> You cannot be a slave to riches and a slave to God.

I don't need to be a slave at all. I'm free, and enjoying it. Good luck on that slavery thing.

> You are not preaching the Word of God,but preaching from
> books that you have read along with your own personal
> ideas to prove yourself as a messenger of God,because
> clearly if you think that God told you to leave his
> organization and to do what you are doing,then you must
> honestly believe you are doing God's will.

I am not a messenger of God. I speak for myself. I am not a preacher, I am a Cult Recovery Counsellor. My expertise is not in theology, but rather in the mind games used by cults to enslave minds and undermine family ties. When I mentioned doing God's will, it was in a very finite context of one specific act. I do not claim to know or pursue God's will in all things. He does not often disclose it so clearly.

God's will is unknown for the most part. Those who claim to know God's will in regard to all things and insist others follow it are seeking power through manipulation and control.

> If you believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that what you
> have learned from all your book reading and research that
> doesn't come from God's Word the Bible...

I no longer fixate on beliefs, Mr. Janko. I no longer have the compulsive need that Witnesses do to believe in spiritual ideas "beyond a shadow of a doubt". To pursue such a level of certainty in spiritual matters squashes spirituality. Intellectual analytical certainty is only possible in hard sciences like mathematics. Genuine spirituality requires a more gentle approach in mental discipline. It is like holding a dove in your hands. If you squeeze too hard, you will kill it. You have killed your spirituality by squeezing it so hard that you think you know spiritual truth "beyond a shadow of a doubt" and God's will in regard to all things.

> how do you think God feels about the way you are being
> used as his messenger?

I am not a messenger of God, in the sense that he is a distant external force speaking through a separate individual. Separation is an illusion. I speak for myself, yet that can include God when we are true to the divine within us, as God is within each of us. Yet even if we speak from the divine within, such speaking does not take on authority greater than another man speaking from the divine within. No man can rightly claim greater authority by virtue of uniquely representing God unless God has appointed him to do so. I do not claim such authority. I do not claim that my words are God's words.

But I do know more about your mental gymnastics than you do, and more about the errors of your man-made organization than you are willing to admit. And I will continue to expose them where doing so can preserve families and free minds, because it's the right thing to do. Thank you for this opportunity to do so.

How God feels? We can only speculate. I speculate that when I tune in to the divine within and respond to it with grace, and remember my connection to all living things, God is pleased. I speculate that when I help preserve families and promote truth which frees minds and erodes your falsehoods about God being judgemental and hateful, he is pleased.

You speculate too. And that's OK. What's not OK is when you elevate your speculation, and apply bible verses to make your speculation appear that to carry God's signature. That is a deceptive mind game.

Best wishes,
Andrew