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Driving & Driving Test Tips/Alleged traffic violation: 22450(a)


Hi Mark,

This morning I got pulled over by a police officer and was given a ticket referencing the subject violation.  The officer said he stopped me because I did not come to a complete stop, that I rolled through the stop sign.  

I've traveled this same road every morning to go to work (for 10 years)and am aware of the stop signs and am certain I stopped, looked to the left and right and continued on.  I am not sure where the officer was when he saw me.  I did not notice him until he was behind me with is lights flashing and I pulled over.  

I'm just wondering, in your experience as a police officer, have you become aware of any disadvantage to an officer's view from any given direction in circumstances such as mine?

I plan on trying to get a report of the incident if there is any, to determine where he was when he saw me, because there had to have been some sort of visual disadvantage for him, because I stopped my vehicle and I told him that.

The officer mentioned to me that he has been keeping an eye on the area of the road I was on periodically because pedestrians frequent the area occasionally.  I'm thinking he was being over diligent in his quest to ticket there.  

I plan on going to the hearing as scheduled and fighting the ticket.  I have never gotten a moving violation in more than 20 years of driving... I'm just annoyed because I feel that this ticket was unjustly written, but who am I?  Guess it's my word against his and being that he is an officer of the court, his word will be taken, unless I can show some doubt in his version of what happened...

By definition the stop has to be behind the limit line or the curb line if not limit line. if you know the location of the officer prior to the stop, take photographs to disprove the officer could have seen you at or behind the limit line.  If he was in a position to see the stop, then you will have to argue that you did stop or had slowed sufficiently to ascertain that to continue was not a hazard; in that, you slowed enough to observe no traffic approaching the intersection.

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Mark Winter


Traffic collision reconstructionist with 19 years of traffic collision investigation experience as an LAPD officer. I can answer questions about traffic collisions with vehicles, motorcycles, pedistrians, bicycles, and commercial vehicles. Especially cases of low speed collisions and injury potential. I can answer questions about the vehicle code (specific for Ca and in general for other states) but I am not a driving instructor nor a vehicle mechanic. You need to talk to someone else about these issues.


19 years traffic collision investigations. 17 years as traffic collision reconstructionist for the city of Los Angeles and outside consultation. Court qualified in criminal and civil cases. ACTAR #519.

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B.S. in Psychology Western Illinois University (math amjor-physics minor first two years), Now attending Chaffey college taking Calculus 3 and Chemistry working for Engineering degree

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