Electrical Wiring in the Home/Hot tub wiring


I've replaced two relay switches, air switch, and 2 GFCI breakers. Somewhere along the line I hooked something up wrong. Now when I turn on the breaker switch the heater starts running with now water going through, causing it to quickly overheat and kick or burn out the gfci. It is a Hercules comercial duty series 5000. Not sure if this is in your field but anything would help at this time.

Donny   What was the problem in the first place,  you were obviously trying to get something to work that didn't.

With the limited information  I can at least guess,    if the breaker is switched on and the heater starts running right away,   then somehow the incoming power is by passing the control circuit,      which would allow the heater to go full blast,     but even at full blast   the gfci should be able to handle the amperage of high heat,      there should not be enough inrush current on a resistive load,   like a motor,  or other inductive load,  to cause the current to go so high it burns out an outlet,       

Considering this is a hot tub,  if you lack the meters and tools to measure and trace,  I would seriously suggest you find a reputable electrician to make sure the tub is wired properly and remains safe,      by the time you burn out a few GFCI outlets,  it would pay for a service call,       

I appreciate that people do try and do try to learn,   but on something like this,   and as serious as it sounds,    I would find a way to pay the electrician,      most complex electrical DIY projects where there is a need for diagnostics,   it takes at least a decent VOM,  and a clamp on ammeter,  to measure the running current,       

Long shot guess,   if perhaps the wiring is through the control circuit,   and it is OK,  if the heating elements were wired in parallel versus series,  that would cause a very heavy electrical load,     but I have no prints,  or diagrams to help with all that,        A good electrician should be able to diagnose this in not much time,   and save the cost of burnt parts and possible other dangerous problems,      

I was an auto mechanic for decades,  and now days, because I have not kept on the complex nature of automobiles,   I have to pay the piper,    don't like it,  but some things are just not DIY type projects,          

If you want to write me,  and maybe some photos,   and maybe a photo of a wiring diagram,  I could look that all over,  and MAYBE  spot something,     but something failed in the beginning   so has that problem been identified?   Maybe you didn't hook something wrong,    maybe the heaters are grounded, or wiring is grounded,   or a contactor is stuck,     so many possible issues,      but if you want to try by giving me history,  and some kind of diagram,  we might get somewhere,       but it would have to be absolute,   because your safety is worth way more than the cost of a service call,  
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Will Babbitt


Electrical issues of all types, wiring, control, appliances, components, specialty in Electric MOTOR or APPARATUS trouble shooting, electric motors, electrical problems, single phase, three phase, DC, capacitors, elevator MG-Sets, modifications, reverse engineering, VFD Drives, single to three phase convertors. Repair of most any electrical/mechanical/electronic apparatus, OEM, AC, DC, Industrial Applications, Three phase, single phase failure mode, determining the root cause of the equipment failure BEFORE failure repeats, Antique appliances, electric motors, fans, ceiling fans, base mount fans, poor equipment performance, Modifications, habitual failures, vibration, redesign, obsolete issues, collectible items restored, rewinding. Owner of EMR Repair Inc www.emrrepair.com More information on electric motors, under Engineering/Motors Ask about any electrical or mechanical problems in the home, office, or even at your work. B2B or business to business CONSULTING I can do but it would be a much more complex issue, that would require a significant amount of time. repair@mearservice.com from there we can discuss and begin work on about anything. Industrial electric motors, controls, troubleshooting, vibration, alignment, any type of industrial or commercial electric/electrcical equipment For the home owner, renter, apartment if you have odd things going on, describe to me, photos are normally very helpful, appliances, heating and air conditioning issues, light switches, installation, DIY PROJECTS FOR THOSE NOT EDUCATED IN ELECTRICAL, we can do some things, but for safety and sanity reasons, I may refer you to a local electrician, and help you find one, help you with pricing and even speak directly with anyone you hire if you have issues,


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