Electrical Wiring in the Home/Attic Fan


I replaced an attic fan that was running but noisy. Over the last year we have replaced 2 motors and one entire motor/thermostat and all have burned out the same day. They run while the electrician is there but once it shuts off it never goes back on. Everything has been checked and amp is good, wires good but motors are dead.  
What could this be?  
Thank you!

ANSWER: Tricia,  it runs good while the electrician is there but once is shuts down you cannot get it to restart,          why not have the electrician shut if off and he should be able to troubleshoot it

I am not slamming electrians but they have little training in electric motors,       

Just from your description,    it could be several things:

If the attic is extremely hot for some reason, some motors have an internal thermal,  that is a bi metal switch,   if the ambient temperature is high, up by the ceiling  that switch might be tripping and it only resets when it cools down,      so if the temp of the attic is high, it might take a long time to reset,        I am assuming you are saying the motor does not even try to start or hum  

Next even though the amps are correct,  voltages change in most homes,  I watch mine change from 115 to 121   

I have seen deviations as high as 151 volts,     if you have dimmed looking lights or other issues  it very well could be a problem with you incoming voltage,  for example a loose or corrision on a connection at your transformer,       

If you know the amps,  then you had a line splitter to get a clamp amp meter on one line,  

What is the voltage AT THE MOTOR WHEN IT WILL NOT START?  IS there voltage present?  If so what is it?

Ceiling fans are hard to overload,   so even the wiring could be effected by heat feeding the motor,    that is where you need to start     when it won't start have the electrician measure the voltage at the motor,    if none,  then at the switch  both feed and load sides of the switch   follow it back until you find voltage and the value

Are you putting up the same brand?

You say the switch, thermostat and motor all burned out,   explain,   

Do you take the switch apart and inspect the contacts?

Is the motor an open style where you can see the windings through vent holes,  and the wiring is all black internally  and smells of insulation burning?

Anything else going on in your home that is electrical in nature that is odd?

Low or high voltage,  a voltage spike,  any of those could burn out a motor, but nothing else is being effected so I would be looking at the wiring size,  making sure the connections are correct,    a quick amp check might be deceiving,  ampere checks for this kind of issue need to be of some duration,    maybe the amps are good for a moment but if low voltage or high voltage is present   it might take a while for the amps to creep up,   

Are these the same make and model motors or complete fans?  Same brands?   Does the circuit breaker ever trip on that circuit?

Unless you ran into a batch of just bad fans/motors  voltage readings are now absolute to find the problem   

Let me know if you can get some readings and values when the motor WILL NOT START    then we can go from there         if the motor is right with no defects   then it is something external to the motor    be it the value of the voltage or heat which would be very uncomfortable if was that hot at your ceiling,      some of these internal motor switches are not very reliable,   a few trips and the bi metal looses it's ability to bend and then the motor circuit is open,  not necessarily burnt,     but if you are looking and smelling the motor, see the windings,  and they are black    it has to be voltage      

Let me know what you find,,,,,,  Will

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QUESTION: Thank you for this info will pass on to my electrician.  We decided to put in a gable fan since my house is more set up for a gable fan and run a new dedicated line for the fan.  

He checked everything last weekend and changed the breaker also and everything came out ok.......no voltage issues he could find.

Very good, sounds like you have better air movement, and all is well. If you have any problems at all with the new fan,  let me know. Let's put it on the first fan and now that is no longer needed, problem gone.

But if anything does come up, feel free to let me know.

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