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Reed Braden wrote at 2006-08-29 17:17:04
I'm looking at the MTI Libretto right now, and it is spelled cadougan, however, it is not capitalized and as such would not be referencing a name. By this time in the second act, Tobias has gone completely insane and is, as you said, mumbling random nonsense words. The way many believe the line "cut, cut, cut cadougan" to be read is different than the Original Broadway Cast actor's interpretation in that it is more belabored. With time and precaution taken on the word cut each time, it is natural for the word cadougan to start as the word cut, but then Toby's mind switches tracks and goes on a tangent, interrupting the word with some mindless babbling before taking on a new subject with "watch me grind my corn." Sweeney was an Irish name, referring to the lady before me, but Sweeney Todd was a false name given to Benjamin Barker, a purely British ex-convict barber. Tobias, however, worked for an Irishman (disguised an Italian, but given Toby's knowledge of Pirelli's sham, it is quite acceptable to believe he knew Pirelli was truly Irish) and he really loved the man he worked for - prior to Mrs. Lovett taking him under her wing. SO I don't believe Toby would say anything bad or hateful about Ireland. And Tobias Ragg sounds Irish to me - moreso than British - so I don't think it has anything to do with anti-Irish racism.

BrilliantBoy wrote at 2013-11-04 06:21:39
The problem with looking to the text of an MTI script is that MTI editors are notorious for misspellings, overlooked bad grammar, and, in the case of this particular script, a musical transposition error. Therefore to say that cadougan is not capitalized in the script bares no defense to your claim that it may or may not reference an actual person.

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Late medieval and early modern history (AD 1250-1650), especially England AND women`s history in the west from the medieval through the modern periods (AD 1250-1850). I am also knowlegable about general medieval art history and architecture, medieval English literature and the history of disease in human communities. I have a BA in anthropology from the University of Notre Dame (1987), a Master of Humanities degree in Medieval history and literature from Wright State University (1996), and have completed my course work and qualifying exams for the PHD program in history at the Catholic University of America.


I have been a presenter at the International Congress on Medieval Studies several times, as well as at the Novus et Antiquus conference at Ball State U. My greatest challenge is my teaching -- keeping the subject fresh and interesting to students and helping them learn valuable analytic skills as well.

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