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QUESTION: Hi Lombardo,

I have a painting that looks 18Th century Dutch or French...
The Painting is on wood panel is 9 1/2" x 11 1/2",
The frame size is 14" x 16".

Can you recognize the Period, Artist or Country of origin?
Or anything you can tell me about it...



ANSWER: Hello Hernan.
In order to  help you, I will need the following images;

-A good clear overall image,but  without the use of any flash  - in order to avoid any glare.
-A good clear  detailled image, also  without the use of any flash - of the  writing on the  white  piece of cloth which is  pinned to the box, on the lower  left of the picture.
-A good clear image of the back  of the painting.

I look forward, to seeing the images.
Take care.

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Tried to take some more pictures, but without flash is too hard.
Hope these pictures help and I look forward for your comments.



Hello Hernan.
Many thanks for the extra images,  as they have prove to be very invaluable.
As with  many things in life, I have some  good news and also  some perhaps - less good news.

-   Firstly,the less good news.

The artist and authorship.

Unfortunately after an exhaustive search of  the archives, I am unable to find any >>  track record << for  an artist called Willie Grans.
This means, that it has been executed by an unknown artist.
However, this  fact is very common and also quite widespread  - as there are far  more >>unknown artists<<  circulating, than  those with a proven >>track record<<.

-   Secondly, the good news

The Origin and background

The painting  is  both German and executed  in - or around, 1870-80.
It belongs to the style of works as is often painted by artists from the German  Münchner Schule  - or the late 19th century Munich school of painting.

The scene portrays that of the almost extinct job, of >> public letter writer <<.
I say almost, because alongside fortune tellers and other  such  intermediary  figures,  in some perhaps less  developed parts of the world,  the role of the  >>public letter writer<< is still going strong.
Indeed,  such roles are not so very much different than when the majority of us today - need to get our  yearly (IRS) tax returns;  sorted out by an accountant.

However at that period of time, it would have been very normal to visit such a person as the vast majority of people, were  totally illiterate, or only partially literate.
Therefore,  as in the case of the young girl in the painting, she is  rather busy explaining the contents of her letter to the  man, who for a small fee - is her “letter writer.”

Normally -  if the  receiver of the letter were also of limited education, then perhaps a priest might decipher the contents, or perhaps even the postman  - over a cup of coffee in the kitchen.

To hasard some iconography of the subject matter, I could well  find it plausable that the  girl on the painting has rather a long list of  subjects  for the letter contents.
If fact, it appears that she has rather a long list of things - which all needs to be written about.
It might be an understatement to say, that the  “letter writer” has all gone a bit pale and has removed his reading glasses as he listens and stares;  with a rather dazed and vacant look on his face, as the girls voice - grinds on and on and……..
In fact, he has almost filled up his sheet of paper – but the girl with her “dreamy eyes” is oblivious to this fact.

There are  a number of reasons  for painting this  ”genre” of life.

1)   It might well be  executed, as the  typical  moralistic picture of a girl, with an endless wagging tongue.

2)    It might also well be executed as both a plea and  a warning,  against  the taking of  young children,  who then are removed from school and sent to work – rather than  finishing  a basic rudimentary education. (i.e. you will never fully realise you dreams,  without being able to manage the basics)

This kind of work is quite often found in the  Munich School – though it is  not exclusively used by them.
That, in a somewhat  enlarged nutshell -  is the story behind your painting.
I hope, that your are  now provided with  more insights into the painting and I wish  you very good luck with it; in the future.
Take care.

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