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Hi Joe...
I was reading your reply to Anthony back in 2008 in regards to his Heddon Fly Rod....

I have the same rod with the exact markings with one exclusion...on the ferrules, I have no yellow or orange, it has only black windings.

The markings read.... Heddon, Black Beauty, # 17, 19', 2 1/2 F, HCH or D. I have all four pieces, the cloth wrap for each separate piece with tag, and the black metal tube.  I would rate condition to great to excellent.  I would be interested in potentially knowing the year of manufacturing and possible net worth....any input would be greatly appreciated.  
Sincerely,
J E Heath

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Jack
You wrote me , Rich Mac , Joe is long gone.
Very few people say their rods are not excellent. They are usually wrong. see Homel at your local library for an exact description of the rods condition.

Assuming "Black Beauty, # 17-9' 2 1/2 F - H C H or D" is written on the butt section;
Bamboo Rod Restoration Handbook by Michael Sinclair ,gives the earliest date for your rod as 1951.
Heddon put the ferrule sizes ( 2 1/2 F) on his rods starting in 1939. They stopped making bamboo in 1958. So that is the age . You can't get closer without a dated sales receipt as Heddon didn't do serial numbers.

I assume 19' is 9' or nine foot not nineteen (LOL)
Books:
Antique & Collectable Fishing Rods: Identification & Value Guide Homel, Dan. 1997 (2nd edition 2000)
Bamboo Rod Restoration Handbook -Michael Sinclair
Classic & Antique Fly-Fishing Tackle: A Guide for Collectors & Anglers by A.J. Campbell

Homel gives the 9', #17 "Black Beauty" fly rod  with an extra tip, 3 sections a value of  $65, 160 and $275 for poor, good, excellent condition respectively.


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Mac

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I can answer questions on graphite fly rod building and bamboo rod restoration and making. I can guide people to restorers . I can guide people to rod building components on the internet as well as catalog. I can help them identify and value their bamboo fly rods with a picture .

If you are asking for the id of an old rod

please give a complete description send pictures especially labels or logos with detailed thorough description** to me macsrods@yahoo.com and a complete including as much the following as you can: Is it? fly or casting rod ? Reel seat is below or above the cork handle ? Check metal for id and patents ? What is it made of; bamboo ( flat sided) fiberglass or graphite ( round)? Weight in oz? What is the diameter of the rod above the cork? Where was it purchased ? What type of metal nickel-silver, tin, or chrome platted brass? A complete description of any logos or labels. Length of rod per section and number of sections. Total rod length.

Please read the following if the rod has either of the following two labels

Montague or H-I (Horrocks-Ibbotson).

They are looked down upon by the collecting community and often they are justified. They were mass produced , rather heavy and very slow. They are not going to resale for very much.

Two books are available at larger libraries to get history and or value:
Antique & Collectable Fishing Rods: Identification & Value Guide Homel, Dan. 1997
Bamboo Rod Restoration Handbook -Michael Sinclair

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Because of my knowledge I can help you sell and get a good price for your vintage bamboo fly rod. email email Mac

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I have been restoring bamboo fly rods for 15 years and making graphite for 17 .

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**example of a thorough description of a label: The Shakespeare decal is olive green ovals with gold foil banner bearing the word "Shakespeare" in script. The remainder of the of the lettering is block style reading on top Honor Built and on the bottom of oval , Made in USA. The writing is away from the grip.



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