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Play late in game knowing there is passing team A drop backs to pass I the umpire move up the ball is released one of my offensive linemen blocking helmet comes off and a B linemen slaps him in the face hand open I throw the flag in the mean time we have a incomplete pass but have defense pass interference ????

Here is want we did--we tried to figure out if my flag was live ball or dead ball which we could not come to agreement on--if we decided it was we were going to give A 15 yards for pass interference and another 15 yards dead ball for personal foul. No one could tell if it was during pass or after the ball came dead. We gave only one foul 15 yards from previous spot made it first and ten started clock on snap since it was incomplete

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Bill thanks for your play.  As I understand your play toy have 2 fouls on B (a UNR-Striking foul and  DPI)

You approached the thought process correctly - you needed to know if you Personal Foul was a live ball or dead ball.  Also I assume you when with a personal foul and not a UNS-fighting foul [B linemen slaps A player whose helmet came off in the face hand open].   Sounds like it is a live ball foul is the ball is still in the air when this occurs.  But since you could not tell it may have been a Dead ball foul occurring ofter the DPI and the pass fell incomplete.  Congratulations on picking up this personal foul as it is a player safety issue.

If I may offer an Umpire mechanics suggestion that may help you on such plays (assuming 4 or more man mechanics): As soon as the pass is thrown and crosses the NZ the Umpire should pivot immediately toward the pass watching to see if the the ball is caught or falls incomplete [the U has the inside out look from underneath or for an inside out look)  if you had done this then you would have known if your UNR was a live ball or dead ball.  If you had thrown your flag before you pivoted it was a live ball foul and if it occurred after you pivoted then the Referee should have gotten the foul and it would have been more likely it was a deadball foul.

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Serve as an Consultant and Expert Witness in Football Litigation Matters. Issues of liability arising from injuries, workers compensation, discrimination of officials, Player Safety, Standard of Care of players, coaches, officials. -Officiating: Instruction, Mechanics, application of rules and Philosophies; Setting up Instructional programs and clinics for: Officials, coaches and media. -Coaching and Playing Mechanics. -Liability Issues: (Legal & Insurance matters) arising from coaching, playing, refereeing, product liability; Player safety; Standard of Care for Officials, Coaches, Players, Assigners, Officiating associations, conferences, board of directors, subrogation matters, workers compensation matters. Consulting: -Media education -Officiating instruction, organization structure, qualifications and standards, -Coaches education -Film evaluation, analysis and grading -Insurance coverage, risks, liabilities, workers compensation, investigations, subrogation -Vocational feasibility for Coaches and Officials -Legal education, objective analysis, discovery plans, trial and cross examination prep, -Injury analysis, cause, prevention and involvement of officials coaches and players -Expert witness evaluation and testimony -Remedial measure to minimize future risks -Fact checking and analysis for authors and media -Disciplining officials and causes for discipline

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Issues of liability arising from injuries, workers compensation, discrimination of officials, Player Safety, Standard of Care; Experience: I have been on a football field in one capacity or another for the past 4 decades as a player, coach, athletic trainer or official. I hail from 4 generations of college football players, coaches and or officials. I consult: in liability and workers compensation cases related to - football; mechanism of injury matters; whether causes of action exists for on field injuries; subrogation, standard of care & negligence claims. I consult on football safety issues involving players, coaches and officials. Independent Objective Analysis - 26 years officiating High School & College football, NCAA Referee, Umpire, Head Linesman, Back Judge, Field Judge, Side Judge & Line Judge - 2 years Arena Football-substitution official - 20 years Instructor of NCAA & Federation Officials - 12 years Instructional Consultant to CFOA Executive Council - Played prep and college football - 5 years Coach High School football and Athletic trainer - 26 years receiving instruction in Officiating: classes, camps, conferences & clinics - Fox NFL Command Center, analyst with Mike Pereira Officiating Experience: 26 years of Federation (All 5 Positions) 12 years NCAA Div. 1 FCS (6 Positions, primary positions Umpire, Line Judge) 16 years NCAA Div. III, NAIA (All 7 Positions) 22 years Jr. College (All 7 Positions) Camps & Clinics: West Coast Alliance Football Officials' Clinic (PAC 10, WAC, WCFOA, NIFOA) 2010 Hawaii Officials Aloha Clinic, 2009, 2010, 2012 Big 12 Mini Clinic, Colorado Springs 2007, 2008 Western Collegiate Football Officials Association Clinic Clinician Line Judges 1999-2009 Reno Football Officials Camp 2000, 2002, 2003 Personal Touch Football Officials Camp 1995-1999

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Affiliations: National Association of Sports Officials Big Sky Conference Great West Football Conference Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference Western Collegiate Football Officials Association West Coast Alliance of Football Officials California Football Officials Association Southern California Collegiate Football Officials Association American Indoor Football League President California Football Officials Association 2000-2002 President- CFOA South Bay Unit 1998-2002, Board of Directors 1991-2002; CFOA Long Beach Unit 2004-2011 Chairman Officiating Ethics Committee 1991-2011 Instructor: NCAA 1995-2003 & Federation 1992-Present Executive Council Instructional Consultant CFOA

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National Association of Sports Officials California Football Officials' Training Manuals Western Collegiate Football Officials Umpire Manual Western Collegiate Football Officials Line Judge/Head Linesman Manual

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BA USC 1987
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2012 Oregon Sports Hall of Fame - 1984 Linfield College Football Team, 1984 National Championship Football Team Post Season Honors 2011 NCAA Div. III Quarter-Final, Umpire 2010 NCAA Div. III Semi-Final, Umpire 2010 Southern California Community College Championship, Umpire 2010 CIF State Championship nominee, Umpire 2009 Southern California Community College Semi-Final, Umpire 2009 CIF Southern Section Championship, Umpire 2008 Southern California Community College Championship Umpire 2008 Southern California Community College Bowl, Umpire 2007 Southern California Community College Semi-Final, HL 2007 CIF State Championship Final Div. 1; CIF 2006 Southern California Community College Championship LJ 2005 Pioneer Football League Championship NCAA Div. 1AA LJ 10 Junior college Bowl Games 8 CIF Southern Section Finals & CIF Play-offs (1st, 2nd and 3rd Rounds) 1989-2010

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