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hello sir,

my question is:

if a QB (on an option play) pitch the ball to a RB and the RB doesn't have control of the ball and this ball come forward, the running is he allowed to recover it? and if yes where is the spot of the ball for the next play?

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Durand,
Thank you for your question. Before I can give you an answer we must understand exactly what you are asking because you fact pattern is either an incomplete forward pass or it is a backward pass not in player possession that may be recovered by any player.  In your play it is an option play.  The QB "pitches" the ball to the Running Back (RB).  We consider the tern pitch to mean intentionally throwing the ball, therefore the QB passes the ball to the RB.  The RB does not control the ball, therefore there is not catch and the status of the ball remains a pass..  You state the "ball comes forward".  I assume you mean it was passed forward. Therefore it is a forward pass.  Once the forward pass touches the ground it is deemed an incomplete pass and the ball is dean.  The ball would then be returned to the previous spot and it would be the next down or if on a 4th down play the ball would be turned over to the defensive team on downs.

Assuming the ball was a backward pass, then the ball remains live, in play and the Running back is permitted to recover the ball and the ball is next put into play were the ball becomes dead in player possession.  

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Issues of liability arising from injuries, workers compensation, discrimination of officials, Player Safety, Standard of Care; Experience: I have been on a football field in one capacity or another for the past 4 decades as a player, coach, athletic trainer or official. I hail from 4 generations of college football players, coaches and or officials. I consult: in liability and workers compensation cases related to - football; mechanism of injury matters; whether causes of action exists for on field injuries; subrogation, standard of care & negligence claims. I consult on football safety issues involving players, coaches and officials. Independent Objective Analysis - 26 years officiating High School & College football, NCAA Referee, Umpire, Head Linesman, Back Judge, Field Judge, Side Judge & Line Judge - 2 years Arena Football-substitution official - 20 years Instructor of NCAA & Federation Officials - 12 years Instructional Consultant to CFOA Executive Council - Played prep and college football - 5 years Coach High School football and Athletic trainer - 26 years receiving instruction in Officiating: classes, camps, conferences & clinics - Fox NFL Command Center, analyst with Mike Pereira Officiating Experience: 26 years of Federation (All 5 Positions) 12 years NCAA Div. 1 FCS (6 Positions, primary positions Umpire, Line Judge) 16 years NCAA Div. III, NAIA (All 7 Positions) 22 years Jr. College (All 7 Positions) Camps & Clinics: West Coast Alliance Football Officials' Clinic (PAC 10, WAC, WCFOA, NIFOA) 2010 Hawaii Officials Aloha Clinic, 2009, 2010, 2012 Big 12 Mini Clinic, Colorado Springs 2007, 2008 Western Collegiate Football Officials Association Clinic Clinician Line Judges 1999-2009 Reno Football Officials Camp 2000, 2002, 2003 Personal Touch Football Officials Camp 1995-1999

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