Goats/Female goats straining to pee
QUESTION: I have two female Boers who are straining to pee. They act EXACTLY like a woman with a bladder infection. They squat a lot and dribble, but they don't act sick, and their appetites are good. I put them on Bactrim at the dose of two 960 mg. tablets, dissolved, twice a day, but it seemed to have little effect in six days, and I ran out of pills. I followed that with drenching with Sulmet per instructions I found on fiascofarm.com. But this is the fifth day on Sulmet, and they're still straining to pee.
Their diets are good; very little packaged goat feed (no sweet feed), lots of hay (no alfalfa), fresh water, and whatever honeysuckle they can find; my herd free-ranges during the day but comes into the barn at night. I've added apple-cider vinegar to their water in small amounts.
The herd consists of 10 does and 3 wethers. Zilch chance of pregnancy. These are the only two goats experiencing urinary problems. None of my girls have ever been bred. The two affected ones, Juanita and Eleanor, are sisters and are about 8 years old.
I'm now wondering if I'm dealing with gram-positive bacteria. Is it possible to give my girls ciprofloxacin, and if so, at what dosage? (I have Cipro on hand.) The girls are about 100 pounds.
Please don't tell me to go to a veterinarian. Vets in my area don't know squat about goats, no pun intended. Livestock owners are on their own, and your decades of experience count more for me than any veterinary degree. Some people here have goats, but they have little advice to give because they don't keep up with their goats' health very well; my goats are primarily pets, so I watch their behavior more closely.
I thank you in advance.
ANSWER: HI Janice,
I apologize for not getting to this right away.. in the middle of kidding here (my goats also are pets :) )
OK.. now.. TYPICALLY does do not get UC.. NOT impossible but from what you are feeding I see no reason to think it is. I have never used Cipro before.. here is a website dedicated to it.. for information : http://www.interchemie.com/veterinary-products/goats/ciprosol-200-oral.html
YOU may want to add ammonium chloride to the diet.. http://www.jefferspet.com/products/ammonium-chloride
just in case for some weird reason it is UC.. (I doubt it BUT.. I have seen stranger things happen)
Another thing Banamine ( flunixin meglumine ) is not only for pain but also a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory, which may help reduce any swelling in the smooth muscles of the urethra possibly making it easier for them to urinate. It is Rx so you would have to get it from a vet or someone who has it on hand.. (Many folks keep it on hand)- I think I might try it - if possible. I personally use it at the rate of 1cc/100lbs SQ not more than once every 24 hours. I might also try straight cranberry juice.. (hard to find pure read the labels in the store, get the closest you can find) - from my understanding regular store bought apple cider vinegar does not work .. you need to get the stuff at the health food store with what is called "mother" in it.
Are they ONLY dribbling when they pee or do they do this after they have done a normal amount? How long has this been going on ?
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QUESTION: No need to apologize. I know about kidding. Did it once, never again. Goats were fine, but I was a nervous wreck.
I do not think that urinary calculi are the problem. But do goats not get urinary infections? They squat and dribble, but I haven't seen a stream of urine from them in two weeks. Rear ends look nasty, and I at first thought the problem was diarrhea. But there's no diarrhea at all, just nasty rear ends and dribbles that appear discolored.
I will try the Banamine. I've used it and have a little on hand and can get more, but I hadn't thought of its reducing any swelling that might allow them to urinate properly. Very good point. I also have Bragg's organic cider ("mother") on hand, and I may drench them with that, given that their water is freezing regularly; I haul a lot of water to the goats this time of year. And I have real cranberries in the freezer and a juicer in the kitchen.
I've already ordered ammonium sulfate, but I did this because Juanita and Eleanor's current problems made me worry about the possibility of future UC problems with the wethers, which would be considerably more dangerous.
You've been very helpful. But please answer (sometime between birthing babies) about the possibility of a urinary tract infection. In women, anyway, UC is not the problem, infection is. That's why I first tried the Bactrim. And as I said, they are fine in every other way. I've seen no signs of pain per se, but just the irritation of urinary urgency.
Thanks again. I have followed you for a long time, and I know you know your stuff. I was so pleased to discover that you are on All Experts. Please don't ever give this up.
First of all let me tell you - I started to answer this yesterday.. wood delivery came and I apparently just left the page open.. babies getting born.. etc.. hay came today.. I just now started looking at what tabs I have open on my computer.. 30 something of them.. and here it was.. an answer begun and never finished.. I apologize - :)
Sounds like you have your bases covered well. :) And yes they do get UTI's .. but I was looking at all options.. have you tested the pH of the urine? - pH strips for testing they also have Ketostix to test ketones too..
for testing pH
I wonder if eating the cranberries whole would do it.. ?? Let me think about this more.. Did you say there was some sort of gelatinous discharge?