Interspecies Conflict/Predators

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QUESTION: "7wolves vs 4hyenas

Tell me the top 5 animals in each weight class

50lbs
100lbs
150lbs
200lbs
300lbs
400lbs
500lbs
600lbs
800lbs
1000lbs

Also tell me the 10 best hunters , 10 best fighters , 10 best killing techniques (give details on each)

Also 10 deadliest bites (no venomous animals)

& if you were to create a predatory species , how would you make it (continent , weight, behavior, habitat) & how would it fare on the continent you chose) characteristics & a name for the species

Mine would be a big cat , species Xeno , avg weight males 600lbs females 400lbs , live in groups of up to 12 it's always two males in each group , live on North American plains , top speed 45mph , 4inch canines , bluish gray  with jaguar pattern , how would it fare in North America & Africa & what prey would it hunt  give details thanks


Also a species like a terror bird , species name Icarus , 8ft tall males 300lbs females 150-200lbs , live in groups up to 15 , North American species color goldish , African color , orange , top speed 50mph & can run long distances , huge beak & huge claws on its feet , how would it rank in North America & Africa with the Xeno & common predators , would it be apex ? what type of prey would it hunt ?

ANSWER: Hello Anthony.

7 wolves vs 4 hyenas: Of the 4 species of hyena, only the spotted hyena would have a real chance to compete (assuming we use the grey wolf).  Brown & striped hyenas are comparable to wolves one-on-one, and would be outnumbered (Aardwolves are not well-armed & are way too small to be considered).  A spotted hyena will typically outweigh a grey wolf, and would be favored against it one-on-one.  Spotted hyenas are durable & have bone-crushing jaw power.  Wolves have good endurance & a strong bite of their own.  Wolves are excellent at teamwork (even moreso than hyenas), and 7 of them would be too much for 4 hyenas to handle.  Even though the spotted hyena is a more powerful animal than the grey wolf, it is somewhat clumsy in comparison to the more nimble canid.  5 wolves would almost get this done, and 6 would have the edge.  Against 7 wolves, 5 hyenas would almost get it done, and 6 would be favored.


* In making the list of the animals in the weight classes, there may be some animals that can defeat those higher on the list, but wouldn't do as well as that animal in one-on-one encounters with various opponents.  The other lists can be subjective as well (for example, there's many ways to determine what "best hunter" means).  These can be hard to nail down exactly, but I'll do my best to make them accurate (and I'll try not to forget any animals!).


Top 5 animals in each weight class (I'm assuming you mean land animals & are referring to one-on-one fighting ability; if not, let me know with a follow-up)

50lbs: Arabian leopard (can get heavier than this), wolverine (this is a reach because they usually don't get this heavy), American pitbull terrier (can get heavier), peccary, baboon.  Lynx would be next in case you don't want domestic animals included.

100lbs: Amur leopard, mandrill, striped hyena, giant anteater, red wolf.  Would rank several domestic dogs (Tosa, American bulldog, gull terr, etc) in the top 5 if included.

150lbs: snow leopard, sun bear, spotted hyena, grey wolf, chimpanzee.  Komodo dragon capable of eventually dispatching these animal with a bite, but wouldn't prevail in initial encounter.  Cassowary a consideration for #4 or #5.  Some domestic dogs (Presa Canario, Kangal, Boerboel, etc) could vie for #5 on this list.

200lbs: leopard, puma, alligator snapping turtle, red river hog, rock python/reticulated python.  Some domestic dogs (Gull dong, Bully kutta, Caucasian Ovcharka, etc.) would make this list.  The pythons, if put in shallow water, would vie for a spot near the top.

300lbs: jaguar, Sumatran tiger, wild boar, warthog, ostrich.  Giant panda would likely be next; mountain goat would be considered.

400lbs: Indochinese/South China tiger, sloth bear, spectacled bear, gorilla, anaconda.  An anaconda in shallow water would likely move up this list.  If a lioness was included, it would be at the top of this list.

500lbs: lion, Bengal tiger, black bear, mugger crocodile (can get heavier), American alligator (can get heavier).  Mountain tapir considered here.  The crocodile & the alligator would move up the list if in water.

600lbs: Siberian tiger, giant forest hog, tamaraw, sable antelope, gemsbok. Roan antelope, wildebeest, & anoa considered here.

800lbs: Muskox (can get a little heavier), zebra (can get a little heavier), black caiman, Malayan tapir, Baird's tapir.

1000lbs: Grizzly bear, African forest buffalo (can get a little heavier), Nile crocodile, elk (can get a little heavier), sambar deer (can get a little heavier).


Top 10 best hunters (assuming you mean to exclude exclusively aquatic creatures)

1.  Lions.  A pride of lions can bring down nearly anything in their habitat.  Adult elephants & rhinoceroses are generally safe.
2.  Tiger.  Usually hunts solo (rarely in pairs) and can successfully ambush & conquer wild boar, gaur, buffalo, & others.  Many animals they predate upon are considerably larger than themselves.
3.  Leopard:  Can ambush & conquer a variety of prey, and protects its kill by dragging it up a tree (where lions & hyenas won't follow).
4.  Cheetah:  Will ambush prey by stealthily approaching to a close distance, then accelerating to over 60mph in 3 seconds to capture fleeing animals.
5.  Jaguar:  Ambushes with stealth, and uses its muscular body & gripping paws to tackle prey.  Finishes the hunt by applying a crushing bite to the skull or back of the neck.
6.  Puma:  The master among cats in staying inconspicuous, the puma uses its stealth to prowl unnoticed in its habitat.  Kills with a throat or snout bite (to impede breathing).
7.  African wild dogs:  These canids are masters at teamwork & persistence.  They usually chase prey items to exhaustion, then bite & retreat from all angles to complete the kill.  Will sometimes have one pack member latch onto the snout of the prey item (usually an antelope) and another pack member latch onto the tail to immobilize it while the others attack.  Have lots of energy & endurance.
8.  Wolves:  These canids use similar techniques as the African wild dog to pursue & capture prey.  The pack is very organized & cooperates well on a hunt.
9.  Crocodiles/Alligators/Caiman:  These reptiles hide beneath the surface of a body of water's edge, and launch themselves toward animals that come to the edge to drink.  They latch onto the prey item with extremely powerful jaws, and pull the victim into the water to drown them.  Can spin their bodies violently with a lot of torque to aid in subduing/dismembering prey items.
10. Anacondas/Pythons: Constrictors are excellent at ambush.  The strike out suddenly to latch onto prey with jaws lined with sharp, backward-pointing teeth (to create an anchoring point), and pull their bodies toward & around their victims to subdue them.  Once the prey item is encoiled, it is slowly squeezed & asphyxiated.

Top 10 best fighters (I'm assuming you mean at absolute weights and not pound-for-pound)

1.  African elephant: 6 tons with tusks & aggression.
2.  Asian elephant: 5 tons with tusks; simply too big for animals below it.
3.  African forest elephant: 3-4 tons; too big for animals below it.
4.  White rhinoceros: 2.5 tons (can get heavier) with tank-like build & long, sharp frontal horn.
5.  Indian rhinoceros: Same size as white rhinoceros, but horn not as long & sharp.
6.  Black rhinoceros: 1.5 tons with aggression & 5ft frontal horn.  Can give #5 a run for its money.
7.  River hippopotamus: Similar in weight to white rhino; has aggression & huge teeth to fight with.
8.  Gaur: Well over a ton & very muscular.  Curved horns can be used to gore with.
9.  Water buffalo: Well over a ton & powerful. Long, curved horns used to gore with.
10. Bison: Weighs over a ton and has very muscular shoulder & neck area.  Can use head as battering ram or use horns to gore with.


Top 10 best killing techniques (again, assuming no exclusively aquatic animals; also assuming you mean predators)

1.  Crocodile/Alligator: Grabbing on with vice-like jaws and pulling prey underwater to drown is almost fool-proof once it latches on.
2.  Anaconda/Python: Once the constrictor coils the victim with its muscular body, there is rarely escape from its powerful grip (and then suffocation ensues).
3.  Komodo dragon: It bite is usually delivered via ambush & retreat, and its bacteria/venom will induce a slow death to those infected.  The dragon simply trails its prey until it succumbs to the bite.
4.  Venomous snakes: The method of rapid strikes to inject venom through hollow fangs is a very effective method of dispatching prey.
5.  Jaguar: Once it tackles prey, it has the option of a back-of-the-neck bite (to sever spinal cord) or a skull bite (this cat has the bite force to easily puncture a skull or a turtle shell).
6.  Eagle: Has strong-gripping claws with sharp talons to subdue/kill prey (grip is strong enough to break a man's forearm).  Have sharp beaks that can finish a kill if needed.
7.  Peregrine falcon: This raptor flies up to an adequate height, then dives down with great speed (over 145mph) to strike a bird's wing with its talons (to disable it).  Then it simply swoops around to capture its prize.
8.  Scorpion: This arachnid has an armored body, pincers, and a venomous tail stinger.  It can grab prey with its claws, and drive the stinger into its body to incapacitate it.
9.  Secretary bird: This bird kills snakes by stomping on them with great force, and aiming for their heads.  Its wings act as a barrier to protect it from the snake's bite.
10. Ants: Ants are small, but they attack en masse (in a large group).  With bites & stings, they can overcome animals much larger than themselves.


Top 10 deadliest bites (assuming no exclusively aquatic animals)
* this list is similar to the "mammal bites" list for the question asked on 9/12/2013 with a few modifications to allow consideration for the method the animal uses to apply the bite (and not just the bite itself) and leaning more toward actual size of the jaws as opposed to pound-for-pound

1.  Hippopotamus: Has jaws that can open almost 4ft wide, and have huge lower canines that are sharp on the edges.  Can cause a massive amount of damage with one bite.
2.  Crocodile: Huge bite force & bone crushing ability.  Typically the bite itself is not deadly, but the killing technique that follows it is nearly impeccable.
3.  Jaguar: The wide gape and skull-crushing power of this cat is impressive.  its bite force isn't as strong as others on the list below it, but where it usually applies the bite is why it is ranked so high.
4.  Bear: The huge size of the jaws and ability to hold victim in place with its paws is what ranks the bear's bite this high.
5.  Tiger: Can sink canines into victim's neck while holding it in place with its paws.
6.  Lion: Same as tiger; tigers can get a little bit larger.
7.  Hyena: Bone-crushing power; can hold onto prey easily while it fatigues.
8.  Wolf: Bite force not as strong as hyena's, but knows to aim for the neck & hang on.
9.  Indian rhinoceros: Likes to bite in conflicts; ranked here due to huge size.
10. Alligator snapping turtle: Has jaws with sharp edges & a bite force comparable to a spotted hyena.  Can snap jaws shut very rapidly.

Other considerations for this list include baboons & various felines (leopard, puma, cheetah, clouded leopard, etc.)


Creating a predatory species

species name: giant frosted eagle
characteristics: 11ft wing span, powerful talons, lives & hunts with mate, white with grey markings
continent: Asia
weight: 40lbs
behavior: Searches for prey from above; gets assistance from mate if target is too large to tackle solo.  The pair will attack simultaneously with talons & hooked beaks.
habitat: forests & tiaga of Siberia
how it would fare: Would have no equal in the air (would dominate the smaller golden eagle), and could tackle many medium-sized animals in tandem (including young deer & boar, various birds, etc)


Q: How would Xeno fare in North America?
A: Xeno would dominate in North America as long as the pride was intact.  The only real resistance would be the larger brown bears, but even they would avoid a pride of Xenos.

Q: What prey would Xeno hunt in North America?
A: Deer & antelope (by ambush), bison & boar.

Q: How would Xeno fare in Africa?
A: Xeno would probably fare much like lions do, but their longer canines might make them the predator to avoid moreso than the lion.

Q: What prey would Xeno hunt in Africa?
A: Same animals as lions (antelope, buffalo, suids, zebra), but might be formidable enough to tackle giraffes, hippos, and even average-sized black rhinos.


Q: How would Icarus rank in North America with Xeno and the common predators?  Would it be apex?
A: Icarus would rank ahead of most predators as long as it hunted in a group.  A group would only be challenged by the largest bears & large wolf packs.  Would defeat a wolf one-on-one, but would likely lose to a puma.  Could be considered an apex predator.

Q: What type of prey would Icarus hunt in North America?
A: Any small mammals, birds, & reptiles.  Could gang up to take larger prey (deer, boar, etc.).

Q: How would Icarus rank in Africa with Xeno and the common predators?  Would it be apex?
A: Icarus would only be threatened by a pride of lions or a large clan of hyenas.  Would be OK in a one-on-one confrontation with a hyena, but a solo lion or leopard would be a serious threat.  Could be considered apex in a large group.

Q: What type of prey would Icarus hunt in Africa?
A: Snakes, small & medium mammals (like suids, primates, etc.) & sub-adults of larger animals.  Could gang up on larger prey (zebra, wildebeest, eland, etc.).


Best regards.

---------- FOLLOW-UP ----------

QUESTION: What would go down if Icarus group of 10 seen a big male grizzly & neither wants to back down ?

Also would the Xenos be more dominant than Icarus ?
Who would be the better hunters ?

Xeno is a very fast , athletic strong cat , is it best in weight class ? (600lbs)

Is Icarus best in weight class ? 150-300lbs

Also what if the Xenos seen big male grizzly about 1000lbs who would dominate ? I seen male grizzly be outnumbered by wolves & still manage to take their kill , would the same for for the Xenos ?

Answer
Hello again Anthony.

Q: What would go down if Icarus group of 10 seen a big male grizzly & neither wants to back down?
A: Assuming the Icaruses can kick like ostriches or use their beaks to strike like hammers (believed to be a possibility for terror birds), they will be able to generate enough offense to make the grizzly bear rethink its game plan.  The bear can knock off a few birds with minimal effort, but if all of the Icaruses attack at the same time, the bear won't consider sticking around.  If the bear had a kamikaze mindset and attacked without regard to its own well-being, it would probably wipe out over half the birds before succumbing to its own injuries.

Q: Would the Xenos be more dominant than Icarus?
A: Absolutely.  A group of 12 Xenos (ranging from 400-600lb) would definitely dominate any situation against (or in comparison to) an Icarus group of 15 (ranging from 150-200lb).  The felines are simply more powerful, capable animals with their ability to stalk, leap, and use their collective strength to bring down large animals.

Q: Who would be the better hunters (Xenos or Icaruses)?
A: With large prey, definately the Xenos.  Not just because they're individually more powerful, but because the Icaruses can't cooperate beyond attacking at the same time.  The Xenos can leap upon prey & hold it in place for one to drive its sabers into a vulnerable spot.  The birds can't tackle or hold.  They can attack from different sides, but they will be in range of a counter-attack from many prey items.  The Icaruses would probably be more efficient chasing and surrounding smaller prey (for one member to dispatch), but for prey items that would require a group effort, the Xenos would be the better hunters.

Q: Xeno is a very fast, athletic strong cat. Is it best in weight class (600lbs)?
A: Given its physical abilities (equal to or exceeding those of other big cats) combined with its long canines, I would definitely rank it as high as any other animals in its weight class.

Q: Is Icarus best in weight class (150-300lbs)?
A: It's certainly among the top predator, but it would have trouble with a big cat of its weight.  The cat could leap upon Icarus (avoiding the kicks) and tackle it to the ground with relative ease (because it is a tall bird, it has a high center of gravity).  Once a cat had Icarus on the ground, it would have few options.  Not having the ability to grab is why the Icarus can't be placed at the very top.  Jaguars & some smaller tiger species would defeat it, and a wild boar or warthog would present problems.  Bears, at equal weights, would have difficulty avoiding the kicks of the bird, but could take it down once it paws grabbed on.

Q: What if the Xenos saw a big male grizzly weighing about 1000lbs (who would dominate)?
A: A single Xeno would be outmatched by a half-ton grizzly.  Grizzlies are stronger, have greater endurance, and this one has too much of a size advantage to take on solo.  One Xeno could succeed on rare occasions with the right positioning & bite location, but the odds are against it.  The bear would dictate the battle with brute strength & powerful paw swipes.  If one more Xeno joined the battle, the duo would have the firepower to overtake the bear more times than not.

Q: I've seen male grizzlies outnumbered by wolves & still manage to take their kill.  Would it be the same for the Xenos?
A: Depends on the numbers advantage.  A single grizzly (at 1000lb) could drive one Xeno from a kill, and could possibly intimidate 2 into retreating.  However, the 2 Xenos could turn the tables and drive the grizzly away.  2 grizzlies could probably drive away 3 Xenos, but probably not 4.  3 grizzlies to 5 Xenos could go either way.

Best regards.

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