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QUESTION: hey bk
gaur vs sumatran rhino-who would win and who is pound for pound stronger?
bison vs sumatran rhino
Pachycrocuta vs jaguar
andrewsarchus vs sumatran rhino
american lion vs utah raptor
rodeo bull vs sumatran rhino
leopard seal vs tiger shark
(glenn jacobs) kane with a bowie knife and bronze knuckles vs leopard
black rhino vs hippo
Archaeotherium mortoni vs Postosuchus kirkpatricki
can you make a top 10 list of the deadliest headbutts of land animals?

ANSWER: Hello Johnny.


Gaur vs Sumatran rhinoceros: The largest of gaurs will weigh over 20-30% more than the Sumatran rhino.  Gaurs are huge, well-muscled bovids with large curved horns.  The Sumatran rhino is stocky & stout, with a frontal horn about 40cm in length.  The Sumatran rhino isn't as formidable as some of the larger rhinos (white/black) on a pound-for-pound basis, but is should be strong enough to be favored over an equal-weight bovid if it is determined to rumble.  In this matchup, however, the gaur is larger.  Slight edge to the gaur.

Q: Which is stronger pound-for-pound; gaur or Sumatran rhinoceros?
A: Both are very strong, and the gaur appears more muscular at a glance, but the rotund rhinoceros is probably the stronger animal pound-for-pound.

Bison vs Sumatran rhino: These animals will be close in weight, but a big bison can be heavier.  Bisons fight by headbutting with their massive heads, and hooking/driving their horns into an opponent's body (usually the side).  The Sumatran rhino's horn isn't as impressive as the horn of the white or black rhino, but it still can cause injury upon impact.  The Sumatran rhino will be lower to the ground (thus more stable), and have thicker legs to generate power in its movements.  In a realistic confrontation the bison would probably drive the rhino away almost every time, but a determined rhino will have the ability to hang with the bison.  Close to 50/50, slight edge to the Sumatran rhinoceros.

Pachycrocuta (giant hyena) vs Jaguar: The largest Pachycrocuta will weigh about 20% more than a very large jaguar.  The giant hyena's durable build & crushing jaws will be its main assets, whereas the jaguar's great strength, agility, powerful jaws, claws, & killing know-how will be its main assets.  In the same way spotted hyenas usually chase leopards away in realistic confrontations, the Pachycrocuta would likely do the same to a jaguar.  However, in the same way a leopard would defeat a spotted hyena if the 2 fought to the finish, the jaguar would likely have the tools to do the same to the giant hyena.  The jaguar would need to avoid the jaws, control the Pachycrocuta with its paws, and subdue it with a bite through the skull.  Against a 190kg giant hyena, the jaguar would need to at least weigh over 140-145kgs, and the very largest ones can.  Slight edge to the jaguar.

Andrewsarchus vs Sumatran rhino: This depends on what estimate is used for Andrewsarchus' weight.  The only fossil found of the creature is part of the jaw, and it doesn't tell us how robust this animal actually was.  It could have weighed somewhere between 450-1000kg, depending on its build.  Andrewsarchus had long powerful jaws that could probably crush bones, and could have been used to quickly subdue prey.  The Sumatran rhino has a stocky build and a frontal horn that can be used to gore adversaries.  An Andrewsarchus would likely need a weight advantage to defeat the rhino.  It would be able to land some bites, but the hide of the Sumatran rhino is tough and the charges of the rhino would likely cause impact damage to the body of Andrewsarchus.  At parity I favor the rhino, but a weight advantage approaching 20% would swing this in Andrewsarchus' favor.

American lion vs Utahraptor: The Utahraptor will be heavier, but not by much.  The Utahraptor will kick with its sickle-shaped claws & bite if its opponent gets close to its head.  The American lion's ability to leap is huge, as well as its ability to finish a confrontation with a throat bite.  It's a question of whether or not the lion can avoid the kicks while closing the distance, and once it leaps onto the theropod, sink in a throat bite while simultaneously avoiding the dinosaur's bite.  The American lion should be able to accomplish this more times than not, and will be able to take the Utahraptor to the ground.  If the American lion tries to swipe with its claws as its method of attack, it will be quickly slashed & overcome by the Utahraptor.  It just depends on what the lion chooses to do.  Clsoe to 50/50; slight edge to the American lion.

Rodeo bull vs Sumatran rhino: These animals will be close in weight, but the rhino will typically be heavier.  The stocker, more robust build of the rhino will make it better suited for battle in this contest.  The rhino might back down in a realistic confrontation from the more aggressive bull, but if push came to shove, the Sumatran rhino would be able to knock the rodeo bull over with its lower point of attack.  Close fight, but the rhino's built too well.  Sumatran rhino wins.

Leopard seal vs Tiger shark: The tiger shark will weigh a bit more than the seal.  The leopard seal will have the agility to outmaneuver the shark at close quarters, but it will have problems inflicting serious injuries with its bite without dedicating a lot of time doing it.  The tiger shark won't be able to land a bite easily if the seal doesn't flee, but it can make quick enough movements to counter with a bite of its own when the seal moves in to attack.  The tiger shark's bite will create a serious wound on the mammal, and the shark will seize the advantage.  It might take a while, but the tiger shark should prevail most of the time.  Tiger shark wins.

Kane (Glenn Jacobs) with a bowie knife & bronze knuckles vs Leopard: Kane will weigh about 50% more than a large male leopard.  If Kane is skilled at using the items he possesses, he will have a decent chance to prevail (receiving serious injuries in the process).  If Kane is not accustomed to handling the listed weapons, he will be in trouble.  The leopard is a well-adapted predator that routinely tackles large prey items that have horns & hooves, and is adept at getting into a position to kill with a bite to the throat.  Kane will have a hard time dealing with the speed & sharp claws of the feline, and will likely receive more injuries than he can dish out.  The leopard is simply going to be the more skilled combatant, and will prevail most of the time once it's in a fight for its life.  Leopard wins.

Black rhinoceros vs Hippopotamus: A big river hippopotamus can weigh almost twice as much as a black rhinoceros, but it will have problems defeating one.  On land the black rhino will be more comfortable than the hippo, and will be able to make strong attacks with its 1.5 meter-long frontal horn.  The hippo has wide-opening jaws with long, sharp incisors to bite with, but it will not be able to land a bite easily without getting stabbed by the rhino.  In water the hippo will be more territorial & aggressive, but it won't gain enough of an advantage in lateral movement to consistently avoid getting stabbed.  Both animals have the means to seriously injure one another, but the black rhino's ability to more effectively utilize its weapon gives it a slight advantage over the larger animal.  Edge to black rhinoceros.

Archaeotherium mortoni vs Postosuchus kirkpatricki: Both of these animals weighed close to the same, with Postosuchus weighing about 10% more.  Archaeotherium resembled a giant forest hog with longer legs & large, savage-looking jaws.  Postosuchus resembled a giant lizard with strong jaws & sharp teeth, and had longer hind legs than the front legs.  Each animals' bite would certainly do damage to the other one, but the Archaeotherium probably had quicker lateral movement (thus the ability to land bites more effectively).  Postosuchus; bite was probably deadlier, but it wouldn't be able to land as many as the Archaeotherium could.  Edge to Archaeotherium.


Top 10 list of the deadliest headbutts of land animals (approximate)
*this is assuming you want to use animals that actually do this & take into consideration their weaponry (if not, clarify on a follow-up).  This won't include rhinos with their horns; wild boars with their tusks, etc.
1.  Bison (the ultimate battering ram)
2.  Gaur
3.  Buffalo (Cape & water)
4.  Bulls (fighting & rodeo)
5.  Moose
6.  Muskox (another impressive battering ram)
7.  Eland
8.  Elk
9.  Sable antelope (and other large antelopes)
10. Bighorn sheep

*if we group the antelope & deer together, then mountain goats , ibexes, & markhors would vie for making the list.  Hopefully I didn't forget any!


Best regards.

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QUESTION: For the headbutts, i meant basically any attack where an animal smashes its head against an enemy, taking into account their weaponry. So an animal could have a stronger impact, but it would be lower on the list than a weaker animal if the weaker animals weapon can top it.
What makes a bison's headbutt deadlier than a rhino's?
which is pound for pound stronger?
bison  vs gaur
hippo vs bison

some fights

Sarcosuchus vs orca
white rhino vs polar bear at parity
Red Kangaroo vs Chimpanzee
mountan gorilla vs Giant Panda
Dire Wolf v Deinonychus
i have read that the wild water buffalo can get up to twice as much as the domestic version, and can even reach 2,600 lbs.
wild asian buffalo vs gaur at average weights and parity
wild asian buffalo vs bison at average weights and parity
wild asian buffalo vs cape buffalo at average wights and parity
hippo vs gaur at parity

Answer
Hello again Johnny.

Here is a new list of animals & their headbutts based on the amended criteria:

1.  Elephant - its great weight would make the impact extreme; tusks would add to the danger
2.  Rhinoceros - weight + sharp horn make a lethal combination
3.  Bison (the ultimate battering ram)
4.  Gaur - largest & most powerful bovid
5.  Buffalo (Cape & water)
6.  Bulls (fighting & rodeo)
7.  Moose - weight + heavy antlers
8.  Muskox (another impressive battering ram)
9.  Eland - weight + horns
10. Elk - pointy antlers

* other large species of deer & antelope/wild boar & warthogs aren't far behind.  

The rhino was excluded from the list before with me assuming it wasn't eligible; its headbutt (because of its horn) would definitely be ranked over a bison.

Pound-for-pound stronger
bison vs gaur: very close, gaur probably has a slight edge
hippo vs bison: not sure; hippos don't demonstrate their strength the way a bison does; probably the bison.

Fights
sarcosuchus vs orca: These animals would have been close in weight.  Sarcosuchus (supercroc) had an osteoderm-covered body & long slender jaws.  Orcas are intelligent mammals, and have jaws lined with teeth & good mobility in the water.  Sarcosuchus can win with a few bites (even though its bite isn't as formidable as Deinosuchus' bite), but it would likely fall victim to the numerous bites of the more maneuverable orca.  Close battle, but orca wins.

white rhinoceros vs polar bear (at parity): Polar bears aren't used to tackling mobile animals larger than a musk ox, and a white rhinoceros of equal weight would have too many advantages.  The rhino's tank-like build would make it hard for the bear to get a good hold of it with its paws, and the dangerous frontal horn would be a colossal obstacle.  The bear won't have the lateral movement sufficient enough to avoid the horn, and its paw swipes won't have enough of an impact to match the rhino's offense.  White rhinoceros wins.

red kangaroo vs chimpanzee: The kangaroo will be anywhere from 30-50% heavier than the chimp.  The chimp has the physical tools to win, but it won't have the know-how.  It will likely try to grab at the kangaroo with its arms and deliver bites, but will be met by some thudding kicks by the kangaroo.  A chimpanzee doesn't have the skill to finish another animal in its weight range like a big cat does, and it won't have a adequate defense to keep from getting injured by the kangaroo.  Red kangaroo wins.

mountain gorilla vs giant panda: The mountain gorilla will be heavier (by about 30%) and more aggressive.  It would likely intimidate a giant panda into a retreat in a realistic showdown.  However, giant pandas will fight fiercely if they need to, and they are better equipped for battle than the gorilla.  Both animals have strong bites, but the giant panda's claws can inflict serious wounds to the ape.  Close battle, but at these weights, slight edge to giant panda.

dire wolf v deinonychus: Both animals will weigh about the same.  The dire wolf has a crushing bite, but no other weaponry.  Deinonychus has the claws to kick with & a decent set of jaws to bite with.  The biggest obstacle for the wolf to overcome will be the kicks.  It would need to avoid them while rushing in to land a good bite, and then hope it grabbed onto an area that would prevent the dinosaur from counter-attacking with bites.  I don't like the dire wolf's chances to accomplish this on most occasions.  Good fight, but edge to Deinonychus.  

* A wild water buffalo can indeed reach 2,600lb in weight.

wild asian buffalo vs gaur (at average weights): The gaur will be about 10% heavier.  It has a more powerful build, and should prevail against the wild Asian buffalo.  Gaur wins.

wild asian buffalo vs gaur (at parity): Close fight.  The buffalo might have an edge in aggressive, but the build of the gaur is more impressive.  Edge to gaur.

wild asian buffalo vs bison (at average weights): The wild Asian buffalo will weigh just over 10% more than the bison.  The bison's head & shoulder area is powerfully built, and it can ram opponents with a lot of force.  Probably 50/50.

wild asian buffalo vs bison (at parity): Both bovids are strong, but the bison is slightly more imposing with its robust head & shoulder area.  Bison wins.

wild asian buffalo vs cape buffalo (at average weights): The wild Asian buffalo will weigh about 50% more than the Cape buffalo.  Both have similar body structures, but the horns are curved differently with each animal.  At these weights, however, the wild Asian buffalo is simply too large.  Wild Asian buffalo wins.

wild asian buffalo vs cape buffalo (at parity): Both have similar builds.  The Cape buffalo's stout horns curve downward & back up (protruding to the sides), and the wild Asian buffalo's long horns curve outward & back in slightly (pointing to the rear of the animal when the head is raised).  The Cape buffalo's horns are slightly better designed for combat, and its level of aggression is a bit higher.  Cape buffalo wins.

hippopotamus vs gaur (at parity): Hippos are capable of short bursts of speed on land and can make quick movements at times, but their overall mobility is limited due to the way their bodies are designed.  They love the water, and being in a river helps to buoy their great weight.  Hippo's legs aren't made to support the weight of the animal for prolonged or intense movement on land.  A gaur is a powerful, muscular bovid with sharp horns and the ability to gore opponents with strong charges & thrusts.  A hippo's large jaws & teeth give it a decent chance against most other animals, but a gaur of equal weight will be a taller, faster opponent.  The gaur should be able to avoid a lethal bite long enough to launch a damaging offense of its own.  Gaur wins.


Best regards.  

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Questions regarding animal conflicts within realistic or unrealistic settings are welcome; my strength lies in medium-to-large species. Small animals (including birds of prey), prehistoric animals, sea creatures, and domestic dog breeds are usually within my scope, but to a lesser degree. I can't confidently answer hypothetical questions about human vs animal, arachnids, insects, or amphibians, but I am willing to field them nonetheless.

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