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Jehovah`s Witness/Bible v's the Watchtower, who do you trust?


Doxo63 wrote at 2013-12-15 10:53:12
You said:  “As I mentioned before ever since the year 1876 those who became associated with the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society and the International Bible Students Association had been publicly declaring that the Gentile Times would terminate in early autumn of 1914. Accordingly, they warned the whole world of the destruction of those Gentile nations to make way for God’s millennial kingdom.”

“So the 3 and a half years ended on June 21, 1918 which began on December 28, 1914 So the period of three and a half “times” is well marked.”

“……………Read some of our old Watchtowers and you will find they were saying:”

Ok I’ve done just that and you may be very interested in what I read.  Far from predicting that 1914 would be the arrival of Christ they were predicting it would be the final day of destruction and that Christ, in fact, came in 1874! Read the following:

Zion's Watchtower November, 1880 p. 1   "We need not here repeat the evidences that the "seventh trump" began its sounding A.D., 1840………………Nor will we here, again present the conclusive Bible proof that our Lord came for his Bride in 1874…..


Watchtower, Oct 1879, p. 4   "Christ came in the character of a Bridegroom in 1874.... at the beginning of the Gospel harvest."

It continues…

The Time Is At Hand, 1888, p. 76, 77  "In this chapter we present the Bible evidence proving that the full end of the times of the gentiles, i.e., the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that the date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men.  

Studies in the Scriptures Series III - Thy Kingdom Come p.121

"The careful student will have observed that the period designated 'The Time of the End' is very appropriately named, since not only does the Gospel age close in it, but in it, also, all prophesies relating to the close of this age terminate, reaching their fulfillments. The same class of readers will have noticed, too, the special importance of the last 40 of these 115 years (1874-1914), called 'The End' or 'Harvest.'"

The above timeline shows Russell's concept that the Second Coming of Jesus was 1874, and the start of the 1000 year earthly reign was 1914, as it was to end in 2914 A.D1893

Here is an answer to a question about if 1914 was really the date of Armageddon on Zion's Watchtower, Can It Be Delayed until 1914? C. T. Russell July 15, 1894, Also in Watchtower Reprints, l894 p. 1677……”our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They say that they do not see how present conditions can hold out so long under the strain. We see no reason for changing the figures-nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble."

Watchtower p. 56, 1894   "A few more years will wind up the present order of things, and then the chastened world will stand face to face with the actual conditions of the established Kingdom of God. And yet the course of the Church is to be finished within the space of time that intervenes."

Here is an interesting concept of what the ‘chosen’ salve was feeding the flock in 1895"

May, 1895 Watchtower page 121  Our solar system of planets is also found to be revolving …….the group Pleiades. And the reasonable suggestion has been made that that center may be the heaven of heavens, the highest heaven, the throne of God."


And look at this!

Beware of "organization." It is wholly unnecessary. The Bible rules will be the only rules you will need. Do not seek to bind others' consciences, and do not permit others to bind yours. Believe and obey so far as you can understand God's Word today. Watchtower Sept. 15, 1895, p. 216

Thy Kingdom Come, Series III, p. 342, 1897 edition "...this measurement is 3416 inches, symbolizing 3416 years.... This calculation shows A.D. 1874 as marking the beginning of the period of trouble...."

1916 edition was changed to read: "We find it to be 3457 inches, symbolizing 3457 years.... Thus the Pyramid witnesses that the close of 1914 will be the beginning of the time of trouble...."

C.T. Russell, Studies in the Scriptures, IV, p. 622, 1897    "Complete destruction of the 'powers that be' of 'this present evil worlds - political, financial, ecclesiastical - about the close of the Time of the Gentiles; October A.D. 1914."

Studies in the Scriptures, Vol.4, p.621, 1897  "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874, A.D....and the formal inauguration of his kingly office dates from April 1878, A.D."

The Time Is At Hand, 1902 edition, p. 99  "In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of A.D. 1914."

Watchtower, May 1, 1903, p. 130-131; p3184 Reprints   "When Uranus and Jupiter meet in the humane sign of Aquarius in 1914, the long-promised era will have made a fair start in the work of setting man free to work out his own salvation, and will insure the ultimate realization of dreams and ideals of all poets and sages in history."

The New Creation, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 6, p. 579, 1904  "According to our expectations the stress of the great time of trouble will be on us soon, somewhere between 1910 and 1912, culminating with the end of the 'Times of the Gentiles,' October, 1914."  

The Time Is At Hand; 1889; 1908 ed.; p. 99  "In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished at the end of A. D. 1914."

The Time Is At Hand; 1889; 1908 ed.; p. 99  "True, it is expecting great things to claim, as we do, that within the coming twenty-six years all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved"

Vol. 2, 1908 ed., p. 170  The next chapter will present Bible evidence that 1874 A. D. was the exact date of the beginning of the "Times of Restitution," and hence of our Lord's return

Vol. 2, 1908 ed., p. 363  We are already living in the seventh millennium - since Oct. 1872. The lease of power to the Gentile kingdoms must terminate with the year 1914. The great antitypical Jubilee, the Time of Restitution of all things, had its beginning in the year 1874, when the presence of the great Restorer was also due

Vol.2, 1908 ed., p. 101  ... the "battle of the great day of God Almighty" (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A. D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced

Vol. 2, 1908 ed., p. 245  ... the Gospel age harvest will end October, 1914, and that likewise the overthrow of "Christendom," so-called, must be expected to immediately follow. "In one hour" judgment shall come upon her

Vol. 2, 1908 ed., p. 374, if numbered   Six thousand years from Adam ended in A. D. 1872

Vol. 2, 1908 ed., p. 3  In this chapter we present the Bible evidence which indicates that six thousand years from the creation of Adam were complete with A. D. 1872; and hence that, since 1872 A. D., we are chronologically entered upon the seventh thousand or the Millennium"

Then they decided that the 1st world war was the beginning of Armageddon

C.T. Russell, Pastor Russell's Sermons, p. 676, Sometime during World War I "The present great war in Europe is the beginning of the Armageddon of the Scriptures Rev 19:16-20). It will eventuate in the complete overthrow of all the systems of error which have so long oppressed the people of God and deluded the world. We believe the present war cannot last much longer until revolutions shall break out"

The Time Is At Hand; 1889; 1915 ed.; p. 77   Firstly, that at that date [1914] the Kingdom of God, for which our Lord taught us to pray, saying, "Thy Kingdom come," will begin to assume control, and that it will then shortly be "set up," or firmly established, in the earth, on the ruins of present institutions.

"In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the kingdom of God, will be accomplished near the end of A.D. 1915. (The Time Is At Hand, 1915 edition, p. 99)

The Time Is At Hand; 1889; 1915 ed.; p. 101  "Be not surprised, then, when in subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878, and that the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1915, with the complete overthrow of the earth's present rulership, is already commenced."

The Time Is At Hand; 1889; 1915 ed.; p. 235  "As in the type that date - three and a half years after the death of Christ - marked the end of all special favor to the Jew and the beginning of favor to the Gentiles, so we recognize A.D. 1881 as marking the close of the 'high calling,' or invitation to the blessing peculiar to this age - to become joint-heirs with Christ and partakers of the divine nature."

The Time Is At Hand, 1915 edition, p. 242  The Gentile Times prove that the present governments must all be overturned about the close of A.D. 1915; and Parallelism above shows that this period corresponds exactly with the year A.D. 70, which witnessed the completion of the downfall of the Jewish polity.

The Time Is At Hand, Foreword, p 2, 1916   "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873."

Watchtower Reprints, VI, Sept 1, 1916, p. 5950  We see no reason for doubting, therefore, that the Times of the Gentiles ended in October, 1914; and that a few more years will witness their utter collapse and the full establishment of God's kingdom in the hands of Messiah."

Studies In The Scriptures, Vol 7, The Finished Mystery, p. 128  It seems conclusive that the hour of Nominal Zion's travail is fixed for the Passover of 1918. (See Rev. 3:14.) That will be 7 years prior to 1925

Watchtower Oct. 15, 1917, p. 6157  'There will be no slip-up...Abraham should enter upon the actual possession of his promised inheritance in the year 1925'

The Finished Mystery p. 62  The Spring of 1918 will bring upon Christendom a spasm of anguish greater even than that experienced in the Fall of 1914."

The Finished Mystery, 1917, p. 404   It is the Day of Vengeance, which began in the world war of 1914 and which will break like a furious morning storm in 1918."

The Finished Mystery, 1917 edition, p. 485   Also, in the year 1918, when God destroys the churches wholesale and the church members by million,

(Rev. II: 7-13) (The Finished Mystery, 1917, p. 542  Not one vestige of it shall survive the ravages of world-wide all embracing anarchy, in the fall of 1920., [The 1926 ed. reads: "in the end of the time of trouble."]

The Finished Mystery, 1917, p. 569 [The 1926 ed. reads: "of the time of trouble have passed."]   after the wars, revolutions and anarchy of the period from 1914 to 1925 have passed.

New light definition on their own words:  Zion’s Watch Tower, February 1881, p. 3   “A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. ‘New light’ never extinguished older ‘light,’ but adds to it.... So is it with the light of truth; the true increase is by adding to, not by substituting one for another.”

And finally, look at this outstanding claim in 1910 Watchtower, Sept 15, 1910

"If the 6 volumes of 'Scripture Studies' are practically the Bible topically arranged, with Bible proof-texts given, we might not improperly name the volumes- 'The Bible' in an arranged form. That is to say, they are not merely comments on the Bible, but they are practically the Bible itself...Furthermore, not only do we find that people cannot see the divine plan in studying the Bible itself, but we see also that if anyone lays the 'Scripture Studies' ... after he has read them for 10 years-if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone...our experience shows that within 2 years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he has merely read the 'S.S.' with their references, and had not read a page of the Bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years."

So far from declaring that Christ was coming in 1914, Jesus had (according to them) already come in 1874 and it was only changed by Rutherford after Armageddon failed to show up in 1914, 1918, 1925.

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