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Experience In Jehovah's Witness organization since 1975,served as an ordained minister and regular pioneer
Education/Credentials High school grad,Attended College.
Question QUESTION: I don't believe in saying the Trinity only because I've never saw that word in the Bible. But, Godhead I believe, is what should be used instead of Trinity.
But my question is How does a Jehovah's witness acknowledge God as Jehovah, but say Jesus is not Jehovah (I don't understand)??? For instance: I'm my father's son and my name is his name!
Also Jesus Christ (the living Word of God)true or false? (if true, isn't the Word of Jehovah...JEHOVAH? as written in John 1:1)
This question I humbly submit.
ANSWER: "Godhead I believe, is what should be used instead of Trinity. "
Where is the word and comcept of a Godhead in scripture,you say trinity should not be but then say Godhead should and it's not there in the bible.
God is Jehovah alone which means no one else is his equal
King James
18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
So the bible teaches God is Jehovah alone and the churches teach Jesus is his equal/
Jesus never claimed to be equal from scripture he said the opposite
(John 14:28-31) . . .YOU heard that I said to YOU, I am going away and I am coming [back] to YOU. If YOU loved me, YOU would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. 29 So now I have told YOU before it occurs, in order that, when it does occur, YOU may believe. 30 I shall not speak much with YOU anymore, for the ruler of the world is coming. And he has no hold on me, 31 but, in order for the world to know that I love the Father, even as the Father has given me commandment [to do], so I am doing. Get up, let us go from here.
(John 5:19) . . .Most truly I say to YOU, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. . .
(John 20:17) . . .‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God. . .
Just like your example about your father"For instance: I'm my father's son and my name is his name"
but you are not your father the same as Jesus is not God ,only Jehovah is God Jesus is just who he said he is the son of God
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QUESTION: "Godhead" is found in Colossians 2:9 (KJV) - The FATHER,SON, and HOLY GHOST is the Godhead, the order of eternal life).
Now, I don't think you understood my question. Your answer is what I've heard many times before, which leads to my question.
Okay, I will rephrase:
You said with support of Pslam 83:18 GOD is Jehovah alone, and I agree! but, Jesus is the WORD of God or replace God with Jehovah and Jesus is the WORD of Jehovah, RIGHT?....
If you agree, (that Jesus is the WORD of God/Jehovah)how can Jesus not be identified as Jehovah God when Jehovah created and rules over life by his WORD? Can Jehovah be identified without his WORD?.... Hasn't Jehovah alone created, and rules life by his spoken WORD?..... isn't the WORD, JEHOVAH?.....
Also you said, I'm not my father... your Correct.... I'm his son, he's my father.... that's what identifies us in the order of life. But, we are the same! I'm a Man as he is a Man RIGHT?.... same with God!!!! If God is a father than he has a son who is God also. And the son also has his father's name.... so if the Heavenly father's name is Jehovah why wouldn't the son of God be identified as Jehovah also????..... I don't understand the Jehovah's witness teaching on this subject.
Thank for you patience with me and again I humbly submit in the spirit of Love.
ANSWER: First of all lets take a look closly at your proof text
of a Godhead:
KJV
9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Yes this translation uses the term Godhead but is this the GK text to what was said
,notice other translations:
Today's New International Version)
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
Deity is used instead of Godhead
Amplified Bible
9For in Him the whole fullness of Deity
New American Standard Bible)
For in Him all the (W)fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
Deity :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deity
preternatural or supernatural being, who may be thought of as holy, divine, or sacred, held in high regard, and respected by human beings.The word "deity" derives from the Latin "dea", ("goddess"), and '"deus", ("god")
Now the correct translation is from our New World Translation:
(Colossians 2:9) . . .because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.
Did Christ have in himself something that is his because he is God, part of a Trinity? Or is “the fullness” that dwells in him something that became his because of the decision of someone else? Colossians 1:19 says that all fullness dwelt in Christ because it “pleased the Father” for this to be the case. NE says it was “by God’s own choice
Christ is a god we never said he wasn't but not almighty God Jehovah,
just like you said you are not your father but you both a men the same as Jesus he is not Jehovah but he is a god ,the word god means mighty one,angels are called gods in scripture;
(2 Corinthians 4:4) 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers,. . .
In terms of the word the GK is logos:
(John 1:1) . . .In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
this is the correct tranlation the churches traslate this as you believe thjat Jesus is God,but the verse shows he is the word of God or his chief Spokesman, or Logos
Logos:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos
In ordinary, non-technical Greek, logos had two overlapping meanings. One meaning referred to an instance of speaking: "sentence, saying, oration"; the other meaning was the antithesis of ergon ("action" or "work"), which was commonplace. Despite the conventional translation as "word", it is not used for a word in the grammatical sense; instead, the term lexis is used. However, both logos and lexis derive from the same verb λέγω. It also means the inward intention underlying the speech act: "hypothesis, thought, grounds for belief or action." [2]
It derives from the verb λέγω legō: to count, tell, say, or speak.[3] The primary meaning of logos is: something said; by implication a subject, topic of discourse, or reasoning. Secondary meanings such as logic, reasoning, etc. derive from the fact that if one is capable of λέγειν (infinitive) i.e. speech, then intelligence and reason are assumed.
Its semantic field extends beyond "word" to notions such as "thought, speech, account, meaning, reason, proportion, principle, standard", or "logic". In English, the word is the root of "logic," and of the "-ology" suffix
So Jesus is a god but not almighty Paul said this in terms of the word god:
(1 Corinthians 8:5-6) . . .For even though there are those who are called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him;. . .
And as I showed you there is Jehovah alone by himself God,see the problem is the false churches teach a godhead or three gods in one
but the bible teaches there is one true God un-created all other gods he created,that is why I mentioned the term Godhead is not in the bible.
For example the false churches point ti 1 john 5-7 as proof of a Godhead which the false King James translate:
7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
If you really are searching for truth take a closer look at this verse ,you will find it is false and these words were not in the orginal GK text but were added to makeit look like God is three persons in one form.
Please fee free to follow up or start a new subject,thats why I'm here to expose false religious teachings of the false churches of false christendom and make people aware the we are the only true religion,and I will put our Nwe World Translation up against any version out there and ours will prove to be the best ans it has been noticed by some bible so called experts as the best.
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QUESTION: Okay! I understand what your saying. But I disagree
The KJV of the Bible is fine to my knowledge. And it is the only Bible I know and read.
Now, I don't want to debate over the KJV. I want to know the truth..., so I'm posing my question to you to challenge the teachings of Jehovah's witnesses and I'm allowing you the chance to win me with truth.
So far your answer to my question is: my understanding of the Bible is WRONG because of the KJV; and the doctrine of 3 persons in One God Almighty is incorrect; Jesus is god but not Almighty God the Father.
Okay! I understand...... so I would like to know whom do Jehovah's witnesses worship??? Only God Almighty is to be worship. And I have read in the Bible that Jesus Christ was/is worshipped in the earth and in heaven. If Jesus is not God Almighty (Jehovah), why then is he worshipped? or if you say he is worthy of worship but he's not Almighty God, why and how? According to your understanding of the Bible, Jehovah's witnesses either worships God the Father and Jesus (two Gods) instead of One Almighty God. or you worship only the Father and not Jesus when the Bible teaches that Angels and men worshipped Christ. Or does your Bible reads differently???
Thanks Again!!!
Answer We worship Jehovah and pray to Jehovah in Jesus name
No where in scripture where Jesus was worshipped in fact when he was asked to fall down and worship the Devil he said this:
(Matthew 4:9-10) . . .All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him. . .
(Matthew 4:10) . . .Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service. . .
So the bible says who is to be worshipped Jesus himself confirmed it was his father Jehovah,but now your point is should Jesus be worshipped did he accept worship when he was on earth? you seem to be saying this " If Jesus is not God Almighty (Jehovah), why then is he worshipped? "
Where in scripture Jesus accepted worship? I'm glad you came back with questions this shows you are searching I hit hard and will not water down his word and many are scared off after coming to me,so lets take a close look at did Jesus accept worship because if he did then he would be Jehovah because he told Satan ‘"It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service"
There are two words you need to look at one is worship the other is.obeisance
.obeisance :
The act of bowing, kneeling, prostrating the body, or making some other gesture to betoken submission; or simply the paying of respec
Now with this word in mind what is .obeisance is it worship? NO. it shows respect notice examples in the scriptures of those who showed this :
(Genesis 18:2) . . .When he caught sight of them he began running to meet them from the entrance of the tent and proceeded to bow down to the earth. . .
Now if this is worship would not Abraham know this was not to be done ,this is our NWT lets look at your KJV of this same passage
KJV
And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
So is this worship bowing down or obeisance remember the Devil just wanted Jesus to bow to him or kneel down before him,if Jesus had done this would it just be obeisance :showing respect or worship? Abraham bowed was it worship?
In the case of Jesus the Devil knows it would have been a act of worship and not obeisance why? because the Devil is a god and Jehovah said we are to have no other gods before him,so thats the difference when Abraham bowed it was a show of respect.
(1 Samuel 24:8) . . .So David rose up afterward and went out from the cave and called out after Saul, saying: “My lord the king!” At this Saul looked behind him, and David proceeded to bow low with his face to the earth and prostrate himself. . .
Again is this worship or a show of respect
(2 Kings 2:15) . . .When the sons of the prophets that were at Jer´i·cho saw him some way off, they began to say: “The spirit of E·li´jah has settled down upon E·li´sha.” Accordingly they came to meet him and bowed down to him to the earth.
respect or worship
(Genesis 33:6) 6 At that the maidservants came forward, they and their children, and bowed down;
(1 Kings 2:19) . . .So Bath-she´ba came in to King Sol´o·mon to speak to him for Ad·o·ni´jah. At once the king rose to meet her and bowed down to her. . .
so the term of itself does not necessarily have a religious sense or signify worship.
Bowing down to humans as an act of respect was admissible, but bowing to anyone other than Jehovah as a deity was prohibited by God
(Exodus 23:24) . . .You must not bow down to their gods or be induced to serve them, and you must not make anything like their works, but you will without fail throw them down and you will without fail break down their sacred pillars. . .
the context must be considered to determine whether the verse refers to obeisance solely in the form of deep respect or obeisance in the form of religious worship. Where reference is directly to God as we have seen .
(Philippians 2:9-11) 9 For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
(Hebrews 1:6) . . .But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.”
same verse in KJV:
Hebrews 1:6 (King James Version)
6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
So when people in church read this they dont know the difference between the two words and the context.
No matter what English term is used, the original Greek remains the same and the understanding of what it is that the angels render to Christ must accord with the rest of the Scriptures. Jesus himself emphatically stated to Satan that “it is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred .
So if Jesus was in fact Jehovah himself he would not refer to somone else as being worthy of worship he would have said he himself alone should be worshipped.
