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Question On Jan 22/09 you wrote: "A bible believer should not live by circumstantial proof and a theory, Jehovah's Witnesses live by direct evidence scripture."
Do you agree (based on the following direct evidence from WT statements), that the WT specializes & depends on circumstantial dot-connecting?
The following quotes come from Aid to Bible Understanding (p.1152) & INSIGHT (p.393), & state that JESUS is MICHAEL The ARCHANGEL (without ONE piece of direct evidence).
- Scriptural evidence INDICATES that the name Michael applied to God's Son before he left heaven to become Jesus Christ & also after his return. (para. 2)
- "... Lord Jesus Christ... SUGGESTING that he is, in fact, himself the archangel." (para. 2)
- "There are also other CORRESPONDENCIES establishing that Michael is actually the Son of God." (para. 3)
- "... Jesus.... He also HAD the personal name Michael." (para. 5)
- "His RESUMING his heavenly name Michael...." (para. 5)
What does the direct Scriptural evidence reveal about 'MICHAEL' ?
SCRIPTURE (in 5 verses) only reveals 12 Facts about Michael the Archangel.
Anything & everything else is SPECULATION, SUPPOSITION & CONJECTURE !!!
According to the HEBREW Scriptures, MICHAEL :
1 ~ (Dan. 10:13) ~ is "ONE OF (echad) the foremost (rishown) princes (sar)"
2 ~ (Dan. 10:13) ~ "came to help" another angel
3 ~ (Dan. 10:21) ~ is "the prince (sar) of you people"
4 ~ (Dan. 12:1) ~ is "the great (gadowl) prince (sar)"
5 ~ (Dan. 12:1) ~ "during that time... will stand up (amad)"
6 ~ (Dan. 12:1) ~ "is standing (amad) in behalf of the sons of your people"
According to the GREEK Scriptures, MICHAEL :
7 ~ (Jude 1:9) ~ is an "archangel"
8 ~ (Jude 1:9) ~ "had a difference with the Devil & was disputing about Moses' body"
9 ~ (Jude 1:9) ~ "did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms"
10 ~ (Jude 1:9) ~ "said: 'May Jehovah rebuke you.' "
11 ~ (Rev. 12:7) ~ was there when "war broke out in heaven"
12 ~ (Rev. 12:7) ~ "& his angels battled with the dragon... & its angels" & won.
There's not one Scripture fact to support the notion that Michael is Jesus.
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ECHAD (Strong's #259) -- found 950x -- for example:
Gen. 3:22 ~ Here the man has become like ONE OF US
Gen. 22:2 ~ offer him up as a burnt offering on ONE OF the mountains
Gen. 42:19 ~ let ONE OF your (11) brothers be kept bound in your house of custody, but let the rest of you go
2Kings 17:27 ~ Have ONE OF the priests go there
Psalm 82:7 ~ like any ONE OF the princes (sar) you will fall
Dan. 10:13 ~ MICHAEL, ONE OF the foremost princes (sar)
ECHAD equals the numeral ONE.
It does not mean THE ONLY ONE.
According to Scripture, "Michael" is - JUST - ONE OF the foremost princes.
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RISHOWN (Strong's #7223) -- found 180x -- for example:
Gen. 25:25 ~ Then the FIRST came out... so they called his name Esau
Gen. 33:2 ~ he put the maidservants & their children FOREMOST & Leah
& her children after them & Rachel & Joseph to the rear of them
Dan. 10:4 ~ on the 24th day of the FIRST month
Dan. 10:12 ~ Do not be afraid, O Daniel, for from the FIRST day
Dan. 10:13 ~ MICHAEL, ONE OF the FOREMOST princes
RISHOWN primarily means FIRST in time.
It does not necessarily mean more significant.
According to Scripture, "Michael" is - JUST - ONE OF the FOREMOST princes.
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GADOWL (Strong's #1419) -- found 529x -- for example:
Gen. 1:16 ~ God proceeded to make the two GREAT luminaries
Gen. 21:8 ~ Abraham then prepared a BIG feast on the day
Esther 8:15 ~ As for Mordecai, he went forth... with a GREAT crown of gold
Dan. 10:1 ~ there was a GREAT military service
Dan. 10:4 ~ I myself happened to be on the bank of the GREAT river
Dan. 10:7 ~ there was GREAT trembling
Dan. 12:1 ~ MICHAEL, will stand up, the GREAT prince
GADOWL means GREAT in size or power.
It does not mean THE GREATEST.
According to Scripture, "Michael" is - JUST - ONE OF the first GREAT princes.
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SAR (Strong's #8269) -- found 414x -- for example:
Gen. 12:15 ~ the PRINCES of Pharaoh also got to see her
Deut. 1:15 ~ So I took the heads of your tribes, men wise & experienced, & put them as heads over you,
CHIEFS of thousands & CHIEFS of hundreds & CHIEFS of fifties & CHIEFS of tens
Dan. 10:13 ~ the PRINCE of the royal realm of Persia
Dan. 10:13 ~ MICHAEL, one of the foremost PRINCES
Dan. 10:21 ~ MICHAEL, the PRINCE of you people
Dan. 12:1 ~ MICHAEL will stand up, the great PRINCE
SAR means a HEAD person of any rank or class.
It does not necessarily mean THE HEAD.
According to Scripture, "Michael" is - JUST - ONE OF the first, great HEAD angels.
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AMAD (Strong's #5975) -- found 189x (in the same form) -- for example:
Gen. 43:15 ~ they rose & went their way down to Egypt & got to STAND before Joseph
Lev. 9:5 ~ the whole assembly came near & STOOD before Jehovah
1Kings 1:28 ~ (Bathsheba) came in... & STOOD before the king
Esther 8:4 ~ Esther rose & STOOD before the king
Dan. 1:5 ~ at the end of these they might STAND before the king
Dan. 1:19 ~ (Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael & Azariah) continued to STAND before the king
Dan. 2:2 ~ (priests, conjurers, sorcerers, Chaldeans) proceeded to come in & to STAND before the king
Dan. 12:1 ~ Michael will STAND up, the great prince who is STANDING in behalf of the sons of you people
AMAD means to STAND in a formal manner & WAIT.
It does not mean to take up power & reign as king.
(If it did, the people in the above examples would have their heads cut off
-- by the reigning king they were STANDING in front of !!!)
According to (time-appropriate) Scripture,
"Michael" will STAND & is STANDING -- waiting -- not begin reigning.
What are your comments about this direct evidence from Scripture?
Answer First of all I appreciate the research you did in your presentation of both questions which took a considerable amount of time.
If you go back and read what I said Sir about Jesus being Michael you will see that I said this:
"as Jesus being Michael its an assumption"
that is what I said,then your prophet said:
you have 2 different modes of evidence
Direct and Circumstantial The latter is evidence in a collection of facts that, when considered together, can be used to infer a conclusion.
So I dont see why you closed by saying;
What are your comments about this direct evidence from Scripture?
Now if you want to follow up on this topic of Jesus being Michael I will provide the circumstantial evidence that Michael and Jesus is the same person,but again thanks for your questions
