Expert: Daniel Selinski - 1/22/2009

Question
QUESTION: You do know Christ is to come, RIGHT? How does Revelation reads:
Revelation 1:8 -- “I am the Al´pha and the O·me´ga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”  [Here Jehovah God is Christ because only Christ fit the description, is,was,is to come]

Also it was Christ who do for our sins, RIGHT? How do revelation reads again:
Revelation 2:8 - And to the angel of the congregation in Smyr´na write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life [again], (NWT) [Christ this scripture is talking about]

Christ is the First and the Last; Alpha & Omega who is, was, and is to come, the Almighty God-Jehovah.

ANSWER: I asked for a direct scripture where e told his follers who he was,not what you provided which are just assumptions.

Alpha & Omega is Jehovah

>>>Revelation 1:8 -- “I am the Al´pha and the O·me´ga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.” [Here Jehovah God is Christ because only Christ fit the description, is,was,is to come]>>>

This is your reasoning,my point is why cant you provide a scripture
where is said he was Jehovah,Jesus is the great teacher seem to me he would have taught that to his followers instead of using assumptions like what you are doing,look again it must be in the scriptures where the great teacher taught he was Jehovah.

Also I see where you are going with this part “is coming"
but that doesn't mean Jesus is Jehovah because he is coming so he must be Jehovah

example ,when they got the law it was from angels but it was like it camecfrom God,when they left egypt an angel lead them and they had to obey his voice as if he was God


(Exodus 3:2) . . .Then Jehovah’s angel appeared to him in a flame of fire in the midst of a thornbush.. . .

was this Jehovah?  NO,he represented God

(Exodus 3:4) . . .When Jehovah saw that he turned aside to inspect, God at once called to him out of the midst of the thornbush and said: “Moses! Moses!”. . .

See so as his representitive they are as God but they are sent ,same as the verse "is coming"
Christ represent God and God is said as coming when its Christ,so you need somthing more than as sassumption as proof ,a direct scripture.

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QUESTION: To my knowledge of scripture, I will not find where Christ say he's Jehovah. This would probably be my best answer to your question at this time.

And how you call this my assumptions! is beyond me. I let the bible do the talking. You tell me how it's not Christ using the same scriptures. The father didn't die for our sins. The father has no beginning nor end. Yet the scripture says, "Alpha & Omega", "First & Last" Doesn't Alpha & First mean beginning? And doesn't Omega & Last mean end? Isn't Christ the beginning of all creation and isn't Christ returning to end creation? doesn't your NWT identify the alpha & omega as Almighty God? Didn't Jehovah say, I'm am the Al'pha and the Ome'ga? [and according to you - Jehovah is only the Father]. So explain this please!

Assumption??? LOL...... If I told someone directly, I have 2 girls, and tell someone else I have 3 boys, could they not come together and say I told them I have 5 children??? Let me know!

And Bro. Daniel remember, you havn't answered my previous question about praying in Jesus name.

ANSWER: >>To my knowledge of scripture, I will not find where Christ say he's Jehovah. This would probably be my best answer to your question at this time.>>>

Case closed,how can he be God when no scriptual support,I really dont see your point,you are confused from the false churches where they say Jesus is God and they dont use Jehovah's name in prayer they prat to Jesus,all of this is teachings of demons

(1 Timothy 4:1) . . .teachings of demons. . .

All I asked is show me one single verse where Jesus said he was God and as you said you cant,so then what do we learn from this ?

Since its not in the bible then its teachings demons started point blank.

Instead of sending me your proof text as to how Jesus must be God you need to heed ny message because these false teachings are not lost to Jehovah ,people are mislead and false religion will be punished for these lies.

So now if you want to learn the truth of scripture fine,if not dont send anymore trying to prove something thats not in the bible.

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QUESTION: Okay! I understand, this will be my last reply!

I thought you were an expert who could bring out the true. But, all you did was dodge my question(s). You did however, do an excellent job of providing doubt in the Godhead. But, I still believe beyond your doubt for the reasons noted in our convo.  

Sadly I leave this forum but would like to say two things before I go: You say I may assumptions, Why then do you believe Christ is the archangel Michael when nowhere in the Bible does Christ say that directly? [or does it in the NWT?] TWO: How is Jehovah God (The Heavenly Father)the Alpha & Omega? [isn't Almighty God Eternal? and doesn't Eternal means: no beginning and end?] And remember, I know what Rev 1:8 says, I need to understand how with a good explanation supported by scripture(s).

Thanks for your Time and I would like to say you need to do a better job searching the scripture for truth. Forget about finding fault with verisons and translations just simply read the Bible for truth. That's what I did!!! I don't agree with alot of what was taught long ago. Why! Because It can't be supported through scripture. But Godhead is there and support is here. Even the NWT supports what I believe [Rev 1:8]. All doctrine must be in line with the Bible. And I don't believe Jehovah's witnesses doctrine is correct. Your witness of God is fault because you don't understand who Jesus is as the son of God.

Answer
Sir you dont have to leave,my point was if you have scriptual proof provide it,you cant so if you want to still believe a non bible teaching that is your right,as far as Jesus being Michael its an assumption followed by facts,you have 2 different modes of evidence
direct and Circumstantial,

The latter evidence is a collection of facts that, when considered together, can be used to infer a conclusion but its still an assumption void of direct evidence ,that is why I said you are assuming a Godhead with no direct scripture,

A bible believer should not live by circumstantial proof and a  theory, Jehovah's Witnesses live by direct evidence scripture.


If a witness testifies that the defendant was seen entering a house, then screaming was heard, then the defendant was seen leaving, carrying a bloody knife, that is circumstantial evidence.


if a witness testifies that he/she actually saw the defendant stabbing the victim, that is direct evidence.

One can be convicted on both but when it comes to salvation which one should you choose would not direct scripture be the best,that is why I asked you to show a direct scripture you cant so at best its a theory ,that may be good for you but not for me.

If you like I can provide the theory Jesus is in fact Michael but in any event its not a salvation point ,Jesus died is the point and he is who he himself said the Son of Jehovah.