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<<<>>>>If you want the word of Jehovah and his visible organization known world wide as Jehovah's Witnesses watered down don't question me,there are other fine brothere and sisters on this board ,Brother Rando,Brenton Hepburn,and Brenda Martin who are more gentle but will also not water down the WTBTS here you will get the truth undiluted,unadulterated and Brutally Honest,Just know with me I'am against all the Churches of Christendom as well as all other religions and it's false God's .Let it be known from this day forward Daniel Selinski is a Jehovah Witness and willing not only to look for sheeplike ones door to door in the snow,rain and if need be a blizzard but will knock the horns off goatlike ones opposed to our religious beliefs.I'am a champion and have proved myself against some of the most prominent clergy the world over,my spiritual Daggers are sharp so avoid me if you are opposed because you will be spiritually SLAIN.

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Jehovah`s Witness - verse 17


Expert: Daniel Selinski - 1/24/2009

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Daniel, I read only parts of your response to one of ur questioneer.

In regards to verse 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,

Can you reiterate on verse 17 some more, then WE WHICH ARE ALIVE and REMAIN shall be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS.

1. Caught up in the clouds with THEM, meaning with WHOM?
2. Are they CAUGHT UP while they are ALIVE?

thanxs!  

Answer
(1 Thessalonians 4:17) 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them,. . .

(2 Timothy 4:8) 8 From this time on there is reserved for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will give me as a reward in that day, yet not only to me, but also to all those who have loved his manifestation.

So its talking about those who are already with the Lord.

at the time that they finish their earthly course faithfully in death, the remaining ones who have the invitation to “the evening meal of the Lamb’s marriage” are immediately resurrected to join their fellow members of the bride class in heaven. They do not “fall asleep in death” in the sense of waiting in a long sleep, as did the apostles but, on dying, are “changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

<<<< Are they CAUGHT UP while they are ALIVE?<<<<

NO , flesh and blood can't enter heaven and like the latter part says;

(1 Thessalonians 4:17) 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away. . .

This is no way a rapture where milliona are waiting to be lifted up into heaven,this heavenly resurrection began in 1918, after Jesus’ enthronement in 1914  

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