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Dear Sir,
I am studying the scriptures with the local Jehovah’s Witnesses. We have been studying the book “What Does the Bible Really Teach” I have also been praying and reading the scriptures. I have come across some things however that has raised some questions for me. I asked the bothers at my local Kingdom Hall about some of these things and they gave me some info, but it didn’t explain my query.
My question relate to the following scripture below in particular verse 17. I have quoted from the New World Translation of the Scriptures.
"Moreover, brothers, we do not want YOU to be ignorant concerning those who are sleeping [in death]; that YOU may not sorrow just as the rest also do who have no hope. For if our faith is that Jesus died and rose again, so, too, those who have fallen asleep [in death] through Jesus God will bring with him. For this is what we tell YOU by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep [in death]; because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17)
Verse 17 states “Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord..”
If I understand correctly the belief of the 144,000 being raised to heaven, it teaches that in 1914 at the end of the times of the gentiles, Jesus Christ was starting to rule in his Kingdom power, and part from world war being one of the signs of this presence, another result of it was anointed Christians started to be raised to heaven, the living who are surviving would go to be with them by being resurrected as a spirit being in a “twinkling of a eye”
This means that thousands already dead by 1914 are in heaven as we speak and that the little flock now living, who are surviving can’t be caught away together with those resurrected little flock that died before 1914.
“..We the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds..” How can the little flock surviving, together with them, be caught away in clouds, as time separates them? “Together” means “at the same time” The passage is saying both dead and living will, together be caught away in clouds to the Lord in the air.
The greek word is hama meaning at the same time, at once, together.
My second question is concerning the "discreet slave" is based on Matthew 24:45-47.
However if the application of figures in Jesus' corresponding parables as members of a class were consistent, there would also be a "ten-mina class" and "five-mina class" relating to Luke 19:12-27 and a "many strokes class" and "few strokes class" arising from Luke 12: 47-48.
Yours sincerely,
Glenn Berg
Verse 17 states “Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord..”
The 144,000 go through a baptism of death, even though time separates one from another, spiritually they become living at the same time. This is when they inherit their "morning star".
... they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. This is the first resurrection. Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years. (Rev 20:4:6)
These are called the firstfruits for they "come to life" at the "beginning" of the 1,000 year reign. (Armageddon)
(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) These are the subjects of the new Jerusalem. These ones inherit everlasting life on the earth. (Paradise, God's Holy Mountain) Satan delayed God's purpose of expanding the Garden of Eden worldwide.
My second question is concerning the "discreet slave" is based on Matthew 24:45-47.
Luke 12 is about "understanding" and Luke 19 is talking about Jesus coming into Kingdom Power. The brothers of Christ that are faithful are given "life within themselves" and they become one with the Father in a spiritual sense. The ones that are unfaithful are destroyed forever.
As a subject of new Jerusalem, you can have life in abundance. If a subject proves unfaithful in this system or the next, their life is measured by the faithful course only. So if a man dies at the age of 100 in the next system, he dies a mere child. (Isaiah 65:20) Only in this way a stroke is measured.
"The wolf and the lamb themselves will feed as one, and the lion will eat straw just like the bull; and as for the serpent, his food will be dust. They will do no harm nor cause any ruin in all my holy mountain,” Jehovah has said." (Isaiah 65:25)
Brother Rando
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