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QUESTION: Thanks. Some finishing notes on your previous response upon Babylon the Great subject.

You'd probably like to know how I connect the 10kings with 10toes.


1)These 10 kings are involved in the battle or Armageddon against Jesus

Revelation
17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.


2)The stone(Jesus Christ) hits the man image at the bottom, at the feet of the statue. The toes are kings(come on dont tell me there are not 10 feet in a physical body). Later, we read that in the days OF THESE KINGS God will set up an everlasting kingdom. So Armageddon war takes place during the rulership of these kings, Jesus will not fight just one human king.

Daniel
2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
2:42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
2:44 And in the days of THESE KINGS shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.


See the connection? Yes, its my opinion and its not necessary for salvation. I will not send people to the guillotine for not accepting this, LOL!  But I think it helps faith in prophecies grow.


As for Cain, your opinion seems fine to me even if I think some would disagree. I thought that Babylon the Great necessary involves a city(a group of people) where the religious leaders establish their rulership(since Babylon was a city!). Of course Im not viewing a city plainly as buildings lol, but as a state of of people, a system. I thought it must involve more people than one.

But I think, going even deeper youre correct that Babylon the Great must be interpreted as everyone practising false worship, according to the Bible.


Thanks.

ANSWER: Hi again

No I certainly see the connection. Of course I can't force my opinion on you and I wouldn't want to force you into anything.

But the point is how do you know the image had ten toes?? No one does.

Plus the fact that the horns are on the eighth king not the seventh

Rev 17:

11 "And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also itself an eighth [king], but springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction.
12 “And the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings one hour with the wild beast"

There's no mention of an eighth king in Daniel's image.

People will always disagree but that's their decision we can only proclaim the message and leave it up to them

1 Cor 3:

6 "I planted, A·pol′los watered, but God kept making [it] grow"

Talk later

Take Care




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QUESTION: Hello.

Because I know that a usual man has 10 toes. Ok, lol its not so important to bother you, Jesus is said to fight 10 kings in Armageddon anyway. I believe these 10 kings are the ones that are strucken by Jesus' stone in Daniel's image. And ten is maybe a symbolic number of all the kings in alliance, existing at that time.


<<Plus the fact that the horns are on the eighth king not the seventh>>

What do you mean with this sentence? There are 7 heads and 10 horns in the Beast or Rev17. I didnt say that the horns of Rev17 spread from one head, the seventh or another. I got confused by this sentence, is there an 8th head all horns spread from?

Finally, the most important.

I cant understand what the good news of God's kingdom and Jesus'ransom have to with interpretations. The message is different than various biblical interpretations Christians may have. I think I would be real stupid If I was angry with every different interpretation. It doesnt seem a matter of salvation to me, If you have another opinion its still fine to me, lol.

For example read a funny post on the web from a guy supporting that Babylon the Great was Rome.

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Well,read rev.17 all of it,in verse15.It tells you Babylon sits on many waters,many nations and many tongues,there is a little of it every where.But the main seat sits on seven hills,Vatican city,The fake church .Babylon means babbel,confusion.Verse18 of chapter17 tell you,the woman which thou sawest is that great city.Very simple,a child could see.Read with understanding,.

IT is no mystery if you come out of confustion,
It is no mystery,if you come out of confusion.Jesus said,I have fortold you all things,have you not read?
It is no mystery,if you come out of confusion.Jesus said,I have fortold you aii things,have you not read?Also it is writing,that God will send you strong delusion,that you should believe a lie,if you want to.
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Do you notice his arrogance? It doesnt matter if he was a JW or Born again, if he was 100% correct or 100%false, personally I would still dislike this style. Theres a great war between Christians on subjects that have nothing to do with salvation, meanwhile atheists have a big laugh and are not attracted.

I believe unity should be on the the good news. For example one couldnt proclaim Jesus didnt really rise,lol. If you want to disagree and generally believe unity must be on the slightest detail, even in numbers, its still fine to me. No problem, I just feel there are many reasons its wrong when people's mind is captured by details apart from the good news.

have a good day

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Hello again

<<<<<<<<<<<<Because I know that a usual man has 10 toes. Ok, lol its not so important to bother you, Jesus is said to fight 10 kings in Armageddon anyway. I believe these 10 kings are the ones that are strucken by Jesus' stone in Daniel's image. And ten is maybe a symbolic number of all the kings in alliance, existing at that time.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yeah it is important to me and it does bother me . I love the Bible and I love God's word . I'm very, very , very passionate about scripture and scriptural interpretation it's something that I take great delight in and spend every minute of my spare time doing and researching and if ten toes was important to God he would have said it was important. If it meant something he would have said and interpreted it elsewhere, in the bible. Instead he doesn't mention it at all. So it means nothing. Just the same as the image having two ears or two eyes mean nothing.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,What do you mean with this sentence? There are 7 heads and 10 horns in the Beast or Rev17. I didnt say that the horns of Rev17 spread from one head, the seventh or another. I got confused by this sentence, is there an 8th head all horns spread from?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No in Rev 17 the beast with ten horns is the eighth king . That's what I was talking about. There is no mention of an eighth king in Daniel 4.

So my point is not only have we now got to say King's are also toes in the bible, with no bible backing, we've got to say that ten toes is significant with no bible backing and we've also got to add an eighth king in where there is no mention of an eighth king.We're doing all this with no bible backing just personal opinion. This is very much the old ways of interpretation and the way Christendom STILL do it when we've moved way past that stage now. That's what I'm trying to get you to understand!!

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,I cant understand what the good news of God's kingdom and Jesus'ransom have to with interpretations. The message is different than various biblical interpretations Christians may have. I think I would be real stupid If I was angry with every different interpretation. It doesnt seem a matter of salvation to me>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

See again like I've said time and time again you have no basis to say this it's your opinion and your opinion is irrelevant. So is mine. The only relevant opinion is the Bible and this is what the Bible says.

1 Cor 1:

10 "Now I exhort YOU, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that YOU should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among YOU, but that YOU may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought"

There's no get out clauses here.

Find me a get out clause and I'll agree with you. If you can't you have to accept you're putting your own salvation down to your personal opinion and not scripture.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< There's a great war between Christians on subjects that have nothing to do with salvation, meanwhile atheists have a big laugh and are not attracted>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Doctrine is a passionate subject it is to most people. It is to me. But i'm largely the same with everyone atheist or christian. If people need to be told straight I tell them straight and I expect the same in return.

But to be honest those leading people to death by their nonsense be it the Pope or Richard Dawkin's are the same in my book

Speak later

Take Care  

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