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QUESTION: DW, or should I call you "Prophet Jedediah" from TOPIX, you are so hilarious.

I honestly find it amazing that you who talks so much about lies, would actually have said the following statement....

"Although to be honest Bro Rando say's Dee's, Luis and he knows him well so we know she's not who she say's she is."


In case you somehow missed it, this latest lie of your good friend Rando, was throughly and completely exposed by me days ago, in the following link.  For good measure, I even showed a nice little contradiction in Rando's comments, regarding Luis' wife.  In fact, Rando told 12 lies which were all thoroughly exposed.  And in your typical double-standard, I notice you look the other way when a fellow JW tells outright lies.

At any rate, you might wish to see where his lies were already refuted, before you continue to make yourself look foolish by validating what has already been proven false.


http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jehovah-s-Witness-1617/2012/12/rando-lie-dee-jehovah.


And of course, Rando's reaction to his lies being exposed, was entirely predictable...Change the subject, and lash out like a child, then take off into the woods after suffering yet another embarrassment.

You 3 are about the biggest jokes of so-called "christians", that I have ever seen.  You claim to represent the truth, and lying means absolutely nothing to you.  Is this just part of "theocratic warfare strategy", or something?

Tell us, DW....Is it EVER okay to lie, even whey lying about "the enemy"?  I would like clarification of your belief on this.

Now, your answer is predictable as well...You will talk about "teeth gnashing", "character attacks", etc.  But you will not answer the questions.

Nice job....Rando lied, got caught, and you are upholding him in his lies.  Wonder how Jehovah will view you for that?

ANSWER: Firstly Derrick I don't do Topix this is the only site I do. Which is fortunate for you cause it would be incredibly difficult to walk round cyber world with your pants constantly round your ankles and yes Derrick I did miss it because I don't read your posts I find them a waste of my time.

However now you've pointed it out it seems strange to me that you've never heard of an IP scrambler seeing as that's one of the favourite toys of the apostate.

You also have a reputation of telling lies so why should anyone believe Luis hasn't moved. Why would anyone take the word of a proven liar like yourself??

So your so called "proof" doesn't mean a thing there's two reasons why. So as normal it's just your weak attempt to attack characters, you should hang your head in shame.



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QUESTION: Well, that was a predictable answer....claim Derrick is a "liar" (of course, without proving it yet again), and then grasp for straws to get Rando out of the hole he dug for himself.

And as I predicted, you merely took cheap shots at me, and did not answer the questions posed.

Try again...The questions were:

1.  Is it EVER okay to lie, even whey lying about "the enemy"?  I would like clarification of your belief on this.

AND

2. Is this just part of "theocratic warfare strategy", or something?


These questions go together.  You see, you pride yourself on "logic", yet you fail to use logic.  Let me illustrate...

Rando comes out with some absurd accusation that he invents out of thin air (just like he has always done), and when you are asked about it, you imply that the "evil apostate/opposers" are using IP scramblers because we knew YEARS in advance (the last time Luis posted here was several years ago), that one day Dee would come on here and Rando would in his infinite genius and wisdom, figure out it was Luis.  So, in anticipation of this modern-day Einstein, we decided the thing to do is to use an internet scrambler, so we could deceive people into thinking Dee is really in the New York vicinity.

Right....

DW, I gotta give you props for having an imagination, and how far you will go to cover for a friend when he lies.  But again, where does that place you in your standing before Jehovah, Whom you claim to believe is a God of truth?

Actually, DW....Luis is not Dee.  And your weak and feeble attempt to attack my character (just as I predicted you would), does nothing to change that.  You see, whether you believe Dee is Luis or not, doesn't change facts.  They are not the same person, any more than I am Richard.  And you have this delusion that because YOU think something, or believe something, must make it fact.  I assure you, it doesn't

So here are facts....

1.  Dee are Luis are different people

2.  Rando claimed they are the same person, therefore, he lied

3.  Rando claims he "knows" Luis, which claim you also agreed with.  

4.  Rando does not know Luis.

5.  You support a liar, and when questioned about it, merely accuse the other guy of lying, without offering any proof or evidence that the original claim is true.

DW, your silly little "logic" may work down at the Kingdom Hall, and it may work with the Witnesses who are as brainwashed as you are, but it doesn't work here.  

Now, Rando lied.  Rando was exposed.  You come on here and reiterated the lie, so you are just as guilty.

And you have no business slandering this woman, and she doesn't have to prove anything to you, or this frightened anonymous questioner of yours.  You people slander her, because she DARES to disagree with certain erroneous teachings of the Watchtower.  You have no proof or even evidence that she is not a study, and you certainly have no evidence that she is someone else.  

But because she didn't cower in the corner when she was told to stop writing me, and because she admits there are things that the Witnesses believe which she thinks are unbiblical, well...She must be an "apostate".

You people are a joke.

Your posts all read the same....All you do is whine about character attacks, while you yourself do more character attacking than anyone.  

But like I said, you wouldn't answer the questions.

And here's another fact for you, DW.  One that you won't admit to...

You KNOW full well that Rando lies, and has lied on here.  You know it, and you cover for him.  When he willfully removed part of an article to give a false impression, you tried to claim I framed him.  Now, you claim we are using internet scramblers.  All because he keeps putting you in these positions, and you don't have the spine to come out and call him what he is.  

You have nerve to be calling anyone else on here liar, when you know yourself that you cover for one.  That must have been a lot of cash he tried to give you, and I guess it just shows you can be bought.

And no, I do NOT have the reputation of telling lies.  I have challenged you countless times to post them, and I will tear your twistings of my words to shreds.  You have nothing, and we both know you have nothing.  

Its you 3 who should hang your heads in shame...I am not the one who attacks a poor woman who only wants to learn the Bible, but be true to her own conscience.  Because of her doing that, and making a remark that T didn't like, she has been subjected to slander, name-calling, lies about her identity, etc.  You must feel like a big man, picking on a woman like that.  

No, if anybody should hang their heads, its you 3 pretenders claiming to represent "the truth".

So, can't you answer those 2 simple questions, DW?  Why don't you tell the board that you believe lying is justified in this forum?

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<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Well, that was a predictable answer....claim Derrick is a "liar" (of course, without proving it yet again), and then grasp for straws to get Rando out of the hole he dug for himself.

And as I predicted, you merely took cheap shots at me, and did not answer the questions posed.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Now I do believe you have been drinking heavily due to the nature of your post. However let me explain something to you read it in the morning if it's gonna rile you now, here it goes.

You are a liar it's been proven. But I never said you where a liar on this subject all I said was that you hadn't proved anything. It seems a bit strange that you made an entire argument about Bro Rando being a liar based on where Dee posted from, but you knew about I.P scramblers all along!! That's a bit strange to the neutral observer.


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<1.  Is it EVER okay to lie, even whey lying about "the enemy"?  I would like clarification of your belief on this.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No of course it's not. If you have holy spirit dwelling in you, you should know that!!

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<AND

2. Is this just part of "theocratic warfare strategy", or something?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No it's got nothing to do with it. Jehovah's witnesses do not lie!!!

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<These questions go together.  You see, you pride yourself on "logic", yet you fail to use logic.  Let me illustrate...

Rando comes out with some absurd accusation that he invents out of thin air (just like he has always done), and when you are asked about it, you imply that the "evil apostate/opposers" are using IP scramblers because we knew YEARS in advance (the last time Luis posted here was several years ago), that one day Dee would come on here and Rando would in his infinite genius and wisdom, figure out it was Luis.  So, in anticipation of this modern-day Einstein, we decided the thing to do is to use an internet scrambler, so we could deceive people into thinking Dee is really in the New York vicinity.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This is what logic tells you.

It tells you that you haven't proved anything, that's a very important point. It also tells you that, apostates love an I.P scrambler. You tried to make an argument in your favour, based on an I.P address when you knew about I.P scramblers all along and it also tells you that Bro Rando's word is certainly far,far more reliable than yours.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<1.  Dee are Luis are different people>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

We only have your word for this

<<<<<<<<<<<2.  Rando claimed they are the same person, therefore, he lied>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

We only have your word for this. No proof

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<3.  Rando claims he "knows" Luis, which claim you also agreed with.>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Right because I have no reason to suspect him of lying. He's a very reliable person.  

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<4.  Rando does not know Luis.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

There's knowing someone and "knowing someone" isn't there?? I know you but I've never met you in my life. But I know how predictable you are and what you're gonna say. You ask T she'll tell ya!!

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<5.  You support a liar, and when questioned about it, merely accuse the other guy of lying, without offering any proof or evidence that the original claim is true.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

See this is how ridiculous you are. I never said you where lying on this particular subject. I merely offered alternatives to your so called proof. I.P address is not proof of anything you knew that in the first place so tackling me with this is the stupidest thing you could ever do!!

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<And you have no business slandering this woman, and she doesn't have to prove anything to you, or this frightened anonymous questioner of yours.  You people slander her, because she DARES to disagree with certain erroneous teachings of the Watchtower.  You have no proof or even evidence that she is not a study, and you certainly have no evidence that she is someone else.  

But because she didn't cower in the corner when she was told to stop writing me, and because she admits there are things that the Witnesses believe which she thinks are unbiblical, well...She must be an "apostate">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Derrick I know what apostates are like. I left the truth for a number of years my Dad was an Elder he's now serving a prison sentence and he's an apostate. My uncle was a Ministerial servant and a pioneer he's now an apostate,my Aunty's an apostate. I know how their mind ticks you can't fool me, the very worst thing you can do around me is hide if you're an apostate or not it just doesn't work!!

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<You KNOW full well that Rando lies, and has lied on here.  You know it, and you cover for him.  When he willfully removed part of an article to give a false impression, you tried to claim I framed him.  Now, you claim we are using internet scramblers.  All because he keeps putting you in these positions, and you don't have the spine to come out and call him what he is.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Derrick believe me if I thought Bro Rando lied I would have something to say to him on the subject. He knows that. I'm not gonna sugar coat things. He's one of my dearest brothers. I love him to bit's. But if I thought he was lying I would tell him and he would accept it. But the fact is you've proved NOTHING.You know if Bro Rando lied If Bro Grunbaum lied If T lied I'd say something and I'd expect the same in return.Lying is not acceptable as a christian. But the problem is you need proof, you're so desperate to try and prove us liars you stop at nothing and make yourself look foolish in the mean time.


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<And no, I do NOT have the reputation of telling lies.  I have challenged you countless times to post them, and I will tear your twistings of my words to shreds.  You have nothing, and we both know you have nothing.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

OK Derrick

Have you said that we as Jehovah's witnesses cannot give any scriptures that point to Jesus as being Michael the archangel?? If you have it's a lie!!!

Have you said that we as Jehovah's witnesses can't Scripturally point to 1914 as the year Jesus became King?? If you have it's a lie!!!

Answer these questions if you want to prove you're not a liar!!!


OK Derrick over to you!!

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I have many years of experience serving Jehovah . I have known Jehovah a long time and I have known his organization . I have been privileged to see great progress not only in my own personal relationship with my God and Father but within his organization. I am an avid reader of the bible and have been gifted by my Father with the indescribable privilege of being allowed to understand his own word.

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The truth is all about scripture and logic. The two go hand in hand . There is not one bible verse that cannot be understood within the realms of human reasoning. Not one!! Why would it?? The bible is God's message to his creation . His creation who he made to understand things in a specific way. God is not stupid or unwise as to leave as a message then allow us to guess what it means or who he is. 1 Tim 2:3This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth" Notice the expression "accurate knowledge".

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The bible leaves signs of true christianity there are many. Jehovah's witnesses meet every single sign. One sign is the removal of false teachings that permeated the world soon after the apostles died. Jesus foretold this and he also foretold of the restoration of pure worship in the period known as the last days. The days we are currently living in. Jesus was a master of using illustrations he used an illustration to highlight this point Matt 13: "The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. 25While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. 26When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared. 27So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’ 28He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse" Why did he speak in illustrations? Matt 13:10So the disciples came and said to him: “Why do you speak to them by the use of illustrations?” 11In reply he said: “To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted" The kingdom of the heavens is full of sacred secrets that Jesus reveals only to his followers. This privilege is open to all who are really willing to submit to God and his Christ in action not just in words. These are the ones God is looking for. Are you really one?? If so I encourage you to let Jehovah's witnesses show you what the Bible really teaches.

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False religion is disgusting to God and to his true worshippers it is likened in the Bible to a harlot Rev 17:"I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication" Whereas the bride of Christ is likened to a virgin Rev 14: 4"These are the ones who did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins" These are both used as spiritual terms here and show the importance of pure and clean worship for God's people.

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