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QUESTION: "Good day

Hope you are well, can you please advise me here: How is Matt 24:8 supposed to read? Labour pains or pangs of distress because the NWT renders the verse differently to other translations.

Thank you
Modise"

ANSWER: Hello mate

Thanks for writing

Biblical languages aren't really my strength if you want more information than this then Bro Grunbaum is the Man for the job.

However this is what I do know.

There are other renderings of this verse here's some more

KJV

"All these are the beginning of sorrows"

ASV

"But all these things are the beginning of travail"

God's word translation

"All of these are only the beginning pains [of the end]"

The original word literally means “pangs of birth" so I would say either "labour pains" or "pangs of distress" are fine.

However pangs of distress is the better rendering for understanding and reading the passage, it gives much better clarity to the passage .Plus they're not the beginning of "labour pains" are they??, they are actually the beginning of "pangs of distress"

If you want anything deeper than this as I said write to Bro Grunbaum.

Take Care


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QUESTION: Thank you for getting back to me so quick, i will ask Bro Grunbaum.

I personally think "labour pains" is the correct one because it would fit in perfectly with Revelations 12 about the pregnant woman.

Regards
Modise

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Yeah Ben's your Man really.

To be honest what you need to understand is that "birth pang's" are "pangs of distress" but they're also "labour pains" a big job in bible translating is giving clarity to a passage of scripture.

When we look at the last days here we see this

2 Tim 3 "But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here"

So this fit's more with "pangs of distress"

You can't really compare rev 12 for the reason it's symbolic and the birth of the kingdom ,it's the start of something joyful and symbolizes the hard work needed to produce it the labour pains where over in 1914.

Matt 24:8 isn't a symbolic verse it ties in with everything we know about the last days a distressing time.

I personally wouldn't use "labour pains" there it makes no sense to me to put that there. I understand why "pangs of distress" and even "sorrow" are used by other Bible translations perfectly.

Take Care

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I have many years of experience serving Jehovah . I have known Jehovah a long time and I have known his organization . I have been privileged to see great progress not only in my own personal relationship with my God and Father but within his organization. I am an avid reader of the bible and have been gifted by my Father with the indescribable privilege of being allowed to understand his own word.

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The truth is all about scripture and logic. The two go hand in hand . There is not one bible verse that cannot be understood within the realms of human reasoning. Not one!! Why would it?? The bible is God's message to his creation . His creation who he made to understand things in a specific way. God is not stupid or unwise as to leave as a message then allow us to guess what it means or who he is. 1 Tim 2:3This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth" Notice the expression "accurate knowledge".

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The bible leaves signs of true christianity there are many. Jehovah's witnesses meet every single sign. One sign is the removal of false teachings that permeated the world soon after the apostles died. Jesus foretold this and he also foretold of the restoration of pure worship in the period known as the last days. The days we are currently living in. Jesus was a master of using illustrations he used an illustration to highlight this point Matt 13: "The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. 25While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. 26When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared. 27So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’ 28He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse" Why did he speak in illustrations? Matt 13:10So the disciples came and said to him: “Why do you speak to them by the use of illustrations?” 11In reply he said: “To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted" The kingdom of the heavens is full of sacred secrets that Jesus reveals only to his followers. This privilege is open to all who are really willing to submit to God and his Christ in action not just in words. These are the ones God is looking for. Are you really one?? If so I encourage you to let Jehovah's witnesses show you what the Bible really teaches.

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