Jehovah`s Witness/A second response please

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Hi again

Thanks for your last response can you respond to this one to

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jehovah-s-Witness-1617/2012/12/pagan-worship.htm

Thanks in advance

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Hello again

Thanks for writing

Yes of course I'll respond to this nonsense

First thing I noticed is the fact that like all apostates/opposers he's too interested in trying to attack us then stand behind his own beliefs.

Instead of answering how he personally justifies it from scripture he instead tries to make it look like we're hypocrites.

He's saying "well I wont tell you how I scripturally justify it what I'll do is tell you how Jehovah's witnesses can't justify it"

He then makes this half correct statement "Something having pagan roots is not enough for the Watchtower to ban it"

This would be the correct statement "Something having pagan roots is not enough for WTBTS to NECESSARILY ban it"

That's what it says right here

<<<<<<<<<<<<Watchtower 1972 January 15 p.63 Questions from Readers
"Even if it were a fact that pagans first used wedding rings, would that rule such out for Christians? NOT NECESSARILY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

But then hypocritically tries to make it look like we don't celebrate Christmas purely because of it's roots. Here.

<<<<<<<<<Bible Teach book, in chapter 16, 'Take Your Stand For True Worship', paragraph 12 on page 159:

"Some agree that such holidays as Christmas have pagan origins but still feel that it is not wrong to celebrate them. After all, most people are not thinking about false worship when they observe holidays . These occasions also give families opportunities to draw close together...Maybe you feel that the origins of holidays have little to do with how they are celebrated today. Do origins really matter? Yes!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

But you see he quotes from two Watchtowers. One awake and one book. Yet conveniently forgets to add this bit in here, which is from the exact same book he quotes from "the bible teach" just one paragraph earlier.

Par 10

10 The pagan roots of Christmas have long been recognized. Because of its unscriptural origin, Christmas was banned in England and in some of the American colonies during the 17th century. Anyone who even stayed home from work on Christmas day had to pay a penalty. SOON THOUGH THE OLD CUSTOMS WERE BACK and some new ones were added. Christmas once again became a big holiday, and that is what it still is in many lands. BECAUSE OF THE CONNECTIONS THAT CHRISTMAS HAS with false religion, however, those who want to please God do not celebrate it or any other holiday that has its roots in pagan worship.

Notice why we don't celebrate it right here "BECAUSE OF THE CONNECTIONS THAT CHRISTMAS HAS"

HAS not USED TO HAVE

Notice he also conveniently leaves out this quote from the Gods love book.

Page 145 par 6,7

6 The roots of Christmas are found, not in Scripture, but in ancient pagan festivals, such as the Roman Saturnalia, a celebration dedicated to Saturn, the god of agriculture. Likewise, according to their reckoning, devotees of the god Mithra celebrated December 25 as the “birthday of the invincible sun,” says the New Catholic Encyclopedia. “Christmas originated at a time when the cult of the sun was particularly strong at Rome,” about three centuries after the death of Christ.
7 During their celebrations, pagans exchanged gifts and feasted PRACTICES THAT CHRISTMAS PRESERVED.

Notice the key point right here <<<<<PRACTICES THAT CHRISTMAS PRESERVED>>>>>

Christmas was and STILL IS linked to false worship.

Now there is also another quote from the Bible teach book that he misses out mentioned in the footnote of the paragraph I quoted from right at the back here.

Page 223

"Keep in mind, too, that the origin of religious CELEBRATIONS has a bearing on whether they please God or not"

Notice the word's CELEBRATIONS. Now even if you took all the tree and gift giving and pagan rituals away from Christmas it would still be a celebration of a false religious DATE the 25th of December is a false religious date. All of these holidays are celebrations of pagan dates. This alone makes them unclean.

You can't even compare calendars and wedding rings and pinatas.

Nobody looks at a wedding ring and thinks "oh that's a thing that means you worship a Demon" God doesn't look at a wedding ring and think that either. Rings where used in the Bible for all sorts of reasons

Gen 38:

18 "And he continued: “What is the security that I shall give you?” to which she said: “Your seal ring"

Nobody's celebrating a ring as a form of worship!!

Again let's take calendars as an example

Imagine how stupid it would be if someone said "I'd like to come to your Kingdom hall what day do you have the meeting" and we say "oh it's on "Jesusday" instead of Sunday, it would be highly ridiculous"

On the other hand if you went out and celebrated the day "Sunday" you'd be celebrating a pagan day with pagan roots and that's would be going to far"

We need to be reasonable and balanced like Jehovah and unlike Christendom and Richard!!

So that's why people like Richard shouldn't be on this board spreading half truths, twists,lies ,quoting out of context, missing important information out and using satanic tactics.Just another false prophet trying to shipwreck peoples faith and fighting against holy spirit.

Follow up if you need

Take Care

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The truth is all about scripture and logic. The two go hand in hand . There is not one bible verse that cannot be understood within the realms of human reasoning. Not one!! Why would it?? The bible is God's message to his creation . His creation who he made to understand things in a specific way. God is not stupid or unwise as to leave as a message then allow us to guess what it means or who he is. 1 Tim 2:3This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth" Notice the expression "accurate knowledge".

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The bible leaves signs of true christianity there are many. Jehovah's witnesses meet every single sign. One sign is the removal of false teachings that permeated the world soon after the apostles died. Jesus foretold this and he also foretold of the restoration of pure worship in the period known as the last days. The days we are currently living in. Jesus was a master of using illustrations he used an illustration to highlight this point Matt 13: "The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. 25While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. 26When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared. 27So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’ 28He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse" Why did he speak in illustrations? Matt 13:10So the disciples came and said to him: “Why do you speak to them by the use of illustrations?” 11In reply he said: “To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted" The kingdom of the heavens is full of sacred secrets that Jesus reveals only to his followers. This privilege is open to all who are really willing to submit to God and his Christ in action not just in words. These are the ones God is looking for. Are you really one?? If so I encourage you to let Jehovah's witnesses show you what the Bible really teaches.

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