Jehovah`s Witness/UNITY

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QUESTION: Hello again, I think its another subject and doesnt fit in 10toes/10 kings. So you can ignore the other message.

You provided a verse that talks about unity. Can you explain me why this unity should come not only through faith in Jesus Christ, but also in cosmological/anthropological/theological aspects?

For example I believe the Earth does not move(cosmological), I believe man is an immaterial self with a fleshy body(anthropological), God is no restricted inside the space he created, but has an infinite body(theological).

Lets say you disagree in most or all of them. Why we cant have unity through faith in Jesus Christ and his kingdom?

Have a good day

ANSWER: Hi again

Thanks for writing

You see the difficulty is you're not seeing the bible as God's book. The Bible tells us to be united and then it tells us how to be united .We're united about what the bible teaches, otherwise the scriptures about unity would be in a different book other than the bible.

Like for example I love football(the Americans call it soccer but it's actually football there's no such thing as soccer!!hahaha).I support West Ham United one of my brothers in the truth and a very good mate supports Newcastle United. The Bible doesn't give any direction saying you have to be in unity on the football teams you support just on the pages of the Bible. Support who you like (as long as it's not Millwall or Tottenham!! hahahaha) So the point is the bible tells you what do and then shows you. NOTHING is left to guess work!!

We're united on what the bible tells us to teach because that's what the bible tells us

Follow up if you need

Take Care

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QUESTION: A long message, LOL.

Sorry, but I didnt receive your opinion, the answer was too indefinite.

As I said, I believe that from the beginning to the end, the message is the Savior and the restoration of creation through His kingdom. As for unity, it comes from the faith in this message.

Now your turn. Since you really believe Im wrong and I dont see the Bible as God's book(its allright if you believe so), what does the Bible tells us to teach and what makes us united?

You say "the Bible tells us to be united". I agree. Then you say, "it tells us HOW to be united". I agree again. Finally you say "we're united about WHAT the bible teaches". This is what I want to learn. WHAT does it teaches? Is it what I believe or something more complex? Is Bible's message the establishment or rejection of doctrines and interpretations? Or perhaps something more simple as the good news of Jesus' resurrection and Jesus' kingdom?

I forgot to mention that I dont criticize a particular religious clergy of a religious organization for its' salvation rules. No, no. Im talking in general for rules that caused division from the early years of Christianity. Im against Trinity Doctrine in the sense that I would not force a theological opinion as doctrine, by any means of violence or by the sword! This would be too evil. I would let people have their personal view on the essence of God, as long as they accepted Jehovah god and his son Jesus as their savior.People who attack JWs for their beliefs are very wrong in the same sense that JWs are, when they hate others for their beliefs. Ok, this is my false opinion lol, but prove to me Im wrong and I will change it.

If you answer that "Trinity doctine" is a demonic teaching and belief that denies Jesus as the savior, I have to say 2 things. I both agree and disagree.

First, if the ancient presbyters called it a doctrine for salvation I agree with you. 3 in 1, 1 in 3, 1 not 3, 3 in a metaphorical sence... COME ON NOW!! Lol, are we going to play with numbers? Only demons would cause the establishment of such theological doctrines that are considered necessary for salvation!

Second, as a non-doctrine but a simple theological belief I have no problem with it, as long as the one who believes it does not deny Jesus as the Messiah. Come on now, do you SINCERELY believe that trinitarians reject Jesus as their Messiah? If that's true, why are they so keen about talking for Jesus' Christ ransom and the importance of faith to Him? Maybe they have a wrong theological view but are they demons that reject Jesus? Dont think so, I swear. In the worst of situation they are fooled.

So to sum up, I reject trinity as a doctrine for salvation, but I have no problem if others believe this(as long as theyre not rejecting Jesus).

Too much doctrines for salvation,hehehehehehehehehehe

P.S If I was to establish a new christian group, I would simply label it 'Christians', of course it would not be separated but it would consider all christians as brothers even these who believe in many doctrines for salvation.

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Hello again.

OK maybe I can answer all your questions by tackling this point here

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<This is what I want to learn. WHAT does it teaches? Is it what I believe or something more complex? Is Bible's message the establishment or rejection of doctrines and interpretations? Or perhaps something more simple as the good news of Jesus' resurrection and Jesus' kingdom?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

OK so let me tell you then

The Bible is an immense book there is no book like it. In fact immense doesn't even cover the description of the sort of book it is!!!

There's around 31,200 verses in the Bible all written by God that's what we need to understand and agree on these  31,200 verses. The Bible is linked right from Genesis through to revelation.It interprets itself

Here's the very simplest example of that

Gen 3 "Now the serpent proved to be the most cautious of all the wild beasts of the field that Jehovah God had made"

But the Bible doesn't tell us who the serpent is until here

Rev 12:

9 "So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan"

Now this is your basis for Bible interpretation the Bible interprets the Bible.

The Bible is both simple and complex at the same time. We can't ignore the simple and concentrate purely on the complex. But like anything we need to start somewhere we can't run before we can walk.

Here's a scripture that may help you here.

Psalms 78

Do give ear, O my people, to my law;
Incline YOUR ear to the sayings of my mouth.
 2 In a proverbial saying I will open my mouth;
I will cause riddles of long ago to bubble forth"

This is a command from Jehovah

"listen to my law, listen to my word , my words are riddles, I will speak riddles and you need to understand them, I will allow that to happen"

So what do you think this verse is telling us?? That we can just believe what we want?? Doctrines not important?? That God's law is simple?? That God's word is to be read like a simple book?? You're a clever geezer you know the answer to this question.

BUT there's a big BUT to all this you have to start somewhere you have to start with simple scriptures and build from there.

Years ago Jesus appointed an organization, it's clear in verses like this:

Matt 24:

45 "Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?"

These people meet together somewhere.

Heb 10:

25 "not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together"

To be taught somewhere.

Micah 4:

4 "And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah(YHWH) will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it peoples must stream. 2 And many nations will certainly go and say: “Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah(YHWH) and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths"

The reason they where appointed is because they where willing to be directed by spirit. This means not putting their own opinion on scripture but rather finding out what God was saying. All Jehovah's witnesses are spirit directed. I'm spirit directed. Bro Grunbaums spirit directed. T is , Brenda is , we all are.

Because all it means is letting the Bible direct your life. Jehovah's witnesses are a spirit directed organization. Because we all let the Bible direct our lives. We all have different jobs but we're all spirit directed.

<<<<<<<<<,Since you really believe Im wrong and I dont see the Bible as God's book>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Now this is what is the root of your problem you don't know WHY we say the Bible is God's word.

You're confusing yourself with philosophy and intellectual argument. We're talking about something as vital as your salvation here. There's no need to over complicate that, it's actually very,very simple.

Matt 11:

25 "I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to babes"

So my suggestion is IF you're really interested in your salvation, put to TEST all the HOLY books. We've all had to do that!!

Hope I've answered this for you.

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I have many years of experience serving Jehovah . I have known Jehovah a long time and I have known his organization . I have been privileged to see great progress not only in my own personal relationship with my God and Father but within his organization. I am an avid reader of the bible and have been gifted by my Father with the indescribable privilege of being allowed to understand his own word.

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The truth is all about scripture and logic. The two go hand in hand . There is not one bible verse that cannot be understood within the realms of human reasoning. Not one!! Why would it?? The bible is God's message to his creation . His creation who he made to understand things in a specific way. God is not stupid or unwise as to leave as a message then allow us to guess what it means or who he is. 1 Tim 2:3This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth" Notice the expression "accurate knowledge".

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The bible leaves signs of true christianity there are many. Jehovah's witnesses meet every single sign. One sign is the removal of false teachings that permeated the world soon after the apostles died. Jesus foretold this and he also foretold of the restoration of pure worship in the period known as the last days. The days we are currently living in. Jesus was a master of using illustrations he used an illustration to highlight this point Matt 13: "The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. 25While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. 26When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared. 27So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’ 28He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse" Why did he speak in illustrations? Matt 13:10So the disciples came and said to him: “Why do you speak to them by the use of illustrations?” 11In reply he said: “To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted" The kingdom of the heavens is full of sacred secrets that Jesus reveals only to his followers. This privilege is open to all who are really willing to submit to God and his Christ in action not just in words. These are the ones God is looking for. Are you really one?? If so I encourage you to let Jehovah's witnesses show you what the Bible really teaches.

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False religion is disgusting to God and to his true worshippers it is likened in the Bible to a harlot Rev 17:"I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication" Whereas the bride of Christ is likened to a virgin Rev 14: 4"These are the ones who did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins" These are both used as spiritual terms here and show the importance of pure and clean worship for God's people.

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