Jehovah`s Witness/PUBLICATION-BATTLING :-) (PartII)

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hai DW


Here's a new release rantings from Charlatan Richard a.k.a. Derrick number 2 it's now available in AllExperts.com worldwide. This I think would be his best selling rants of the year that's why he keeps attacking the past JW's so-called "ERROR"...Well, it's still showing:-) here:
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jehovah-s-Witness-1617/2012/12/dw-proved-wrong.htm



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Hi

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<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Please notice above that it was not until 1914 came and went "and the world developments went forward" that they realized that they did not understand the prophecies correctly.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yes correct and what of it??  

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Notice that the Society will gladly accept that they are following "misconstructions on the scriptures" and they will just have to "wait and see" before admitting that they were wrong.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

What other choice is there?? Gradual understanding of truth is a bible teaching

John 16:

12 "I have many things yet to say to YOU, but YOU are not able to bear them at present"

The disciples knew this they gladly followed misconstructions of Jesus teachings as well

John 21:

21 "Accordingly, when he caught sight of him, Peter said to Jesus: “Lord, what will this [man do]?” 22 Jesus said to him: “If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you? You continue following me.” 23 In consequence, this saying went out among the brothers, that that disciple would not die. However, Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but: “If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you"

So you've got two choices you either know everything immediately and are infallible in your teachings. Or the truth is revealed by Holy spirit gradually and you remain united until the truth is revealed to you by Holy Spirit.

The Bible say's you do the second one who cares what Richard thinks!!

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Many "new light" changes are REACTIVE.  There's a reason they stopped preaching about 1925, because NOTHING HAPPENED.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yeah again what of it?? That's how new light works sometimes. Richard doesn't even agree with the Biblical concept of new light.He therefore doesn't experience it himself. So how can he tell anyone how it works?? We experience it and that's how it works.

It's a bit like me trying to tell a brain surgeon how brain surgery works when I know nothing about it.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<There's a reason they stopped preaching about 1975, because NOTHING HAPPENED.  There's a reason they changed their "generation" teaching, because NOTHING HAPPENED>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No idea what he's talking about here 1975 is still and always has been a significant time in mankind's history,

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<There's a reason why they changed who the faithful and discreet slave is, because the Governing Body wants COMPLETE CONTROL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No the reason is because when Jesus said these words

Matt 24:

45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so"

He was actually talking about the "governing body"(as we know them today)and not what we originally thought.

What's he on about "complete control" nothings even changed we always waited on the governing body always have done and always will do. It's not even an issue!!

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<There is a reason Fred Franz preached that a 1st century-governing body didn't exist the same as today (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah6TJ5Aa2xg) because it DIDN'T and he knew that one would soon be created within the Society.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

As much as I love listening to some of the older talks we have given. I don't have a spare 30 minutes so I didn't watch all this. However perhaps Richard can explain who these people where in the scriptures

Acts 2:

42 And they continued devoting themselves TO THE TEACHINGS OF THE APOSTLES.


Acts 6:

2 So THE TWELVE called the multitude of the disciples to them and said: “It is not pleasing for us to leave the word of God to distribute [food] to tables. 3 So, brothers, search out for yourselves seven certified men from among YOU, full of spirit and wisdom, THAT WE MAY APPOINT THEM over this necessary business

Acts 15:

28 For the holy spirit AND WE OURSELVES have favored adding no further burden to YOU, except these necessary things, 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols"

We say this was the governing body of the first century. Who does Richard say it is??

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<There is a reason they stopped putting emphasis on the number of memorial partakers, because it started to GO UP, dramatically.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Again he's mentioning a non issue. I've already explained this one.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Examine recent changes/discussions on blood particles and child sexual abuse and ask yourself WHY are these things being changed/discussed.  Do the same with previous changes.  These changes aren't because of some better understanding of scripture, they are because of an after-the-fact realization that they were WRONG.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No idea what he's talking about how can any of this stuff be because we found out we where wrong. Wrong about what?? Blood transfusions are still wrong, Child abuse is still disgusting So I don't get this point at all. Richard's just another one who's the master of the sweeping statement

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<And yet millions of people rest their eternal fate on the misconstructions of scripture by a handful of people.  The "truth" is false and KNOWS IT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No millions of people rest their eternal fate on what the Bible teaches. You know things like this.

Matt 24:

45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so"

John 16:

12 "I have many things yet to say to YOU, but YOU are not able to bear them at present"

Acts 2:

42 "And they continued devoting themselves to the teaching of the apostles"

1 Cor 1:

10 "Now I exhort YOU, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that YOU should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among YOU, but that YOU may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought"

Millions of people realize that unity is equally as important as truth

John 17:

17 "Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth. 18 Just as you sent me forth into the world, I also sent them forth into the world. 19 And I am sanctifying myself in their behalf, that they also may be sanctified by means of truth.
20 “I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word; 21 in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth"

Millions of people base their salvation on the facts of what the WHOLE Bible teaches and not just a few handpicked scriptures they want it to teach ignoring all the rest!!

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,Bypassing memorial statistics by saying that at least it's a little flock or that the ones taking it are mentally ill or ignorant of what they were doing does not change the fact that the Society put GREAT EMPHASIS on these statistics while the numbers served the purpose of the Society.  Once the numbers stopped doing that, they were discounted.  The excuse DW brings up was the same excuse used in 1996 when the number went up by only 20+ people.  If that excuse still held up with nearly a 50% jump (around 4000 people), then the great crowd is being poorly educated.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No idea what he's talking about again!! There's still a good reason to count the numbers like there's always been, it still let's us know where we are in the stream of time like it's always done. There's just more scriptures added to the equation now. So again I have no idea what he's trying to argue.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Since you referenced DW's post, I'll will agree with DW that those weeping and gnashing teeth are outside Jehovah's organization.  One would think that seeing JW's do this sort of thing would cause other JW's to examine their affiliation more closely.>>>>>>>>>>

You see again he just reads what he want's to read what I said is it's done from outside a place you can be KICKED OUT FROM or in other words DISFELLOWSHIPPED FROM.

You can't get disfellowshipped from mainstream "christianity" so how can it possibly be done against mainstream Christians??

So what Richard likes to call "weeping and teeth gnashing" is actually nothing of the kind. Richard would call this weeping and teeth gnashing

Matt 3:

7 "When he caught sight of many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to the baptism, he said to them: “YOU offspring of vipers, who has intimated to YOU to flee from the coming wrath?"

Richard would say "look at John weeping and gnashing his teeth against the pharisees" hahaha

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<So those of you who question the "truth" and get fed a line about "to whom shall you go?".  This is a tactic of fear as if you didn't have anywhere else to go.  In John 6:68, Simon Peter posed the same question and answered it himself.  "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life."  He didn't say, "Jehovah's visible organization has the words of eternal life."  He said that JESUS does.  The Bible doesn't say Jehovah's visible organization is the way, the TRUTH, and the life.  JESUS is.  It doesn't say, no man comes to the Father but through Jehovah's visible organization.  It says JESUS.  Jehovah's visible organization is not the mediator for all sorts of men.  JESUS is the mediator for ALL men.>>>>>

Yeah but Richard forgets a very important point these people also argue exactly what Richard is saying and they agree with him

Matt 7:

21 "Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness"

He also forgets where to find Jesus

John 6:

44 No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him 45 It is WRITTEN in the PROPHETS, ‘And they will all be taught by Jehovah.

Micah 4:

2 "And many nations will certainly go and say: “Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths"

Heb 10:

25 "not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as YOU behold the day drawing near"

Pretty difficult to do all this without an organization.

So once again Richard shows he has nothing except weeping and teeth gnashing from the outside looking in

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I have many years of experience serving Jehovah . I have known Jehovah a long time and I have known his organization . I have been privileged to see great progress not only in my own personal relationship with my God and Father but within his organization. I am an avid reader of the bible and have been gifted by my Father with the indescribable privilege of being allowed to understand his own word.

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The truth is all about scripture and logic. The two go hand in hand . There is not one bible verse that cannot be understood within the realms of human reasoning. Not one!! Why would it?? The bible is God's message to his creation . His creation who he made to understand things in a specific way. God is not stupid or unwise as to leave as a message then allow us to guess what it means or who he is. 1 Tim 2:3This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth" Notice the expression "accurate knowledge".

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The bible leaves signs of true christianity there are many. Jehovah's witnesses meet every single sign. One sign is the removal of false teachings that permeated the world soon after the apostles died. Jesus foretold this and he also foretold of the restoration of pure worship in the period known as the last days. The days we are currently living in. Jesus was a master of using illustrations he used an illustration to highlight this point Matt 13: "The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. 25While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. 26When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared. 27So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’ 28He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse" Why did he speak in illustrations? Matt 13:10So the disciples came and said to him: “Why do you speak to them by the use of illustrations?” 11In reply he said: “To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted" The kingdom of the heavens is full of sacred secrets that Jesus reveals only to his followers. This privilege is open to all who are really willing to submit to God and his Christ in action not just in words. These are the ones God is looking for. Are you really one?? If so I encourage you to let Jehovah's witnesses show you what the Bible really teaches.

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False religion is disgusting to God and to his true worshippers it is likened in the Bible to a harlot Rev 17:"I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication" Whereas the bride of Christ is likened to a virgin Rev 14: 4"These are the ones who did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins" These are both used as spiritual terms here and show the importance of pure and clean worship for God's people.

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