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Trinity or Not?
Trinity or Not?  
Trinity or Not?

Which is it?  For 12 years Derrick Holland has been on a Public JW forum giving false answers to questions from the public.  

After 12 years of intensive struggling of Scripture twisting, Derrick has been unable to provide a scripture that God is "three separate persons".  When cornered by scripture this demon then switches to Modalism which is taught by the Baptist and Pentecostal faiths.  

"Jesus, who possesses the full nature of His Father, and is God."  Derricks weak and feeble attempt is called Modalism.  I guess he is so weak to defend his false trinity of three gods has now claims "Jesus is God" rather than be "another Almighty God" has he spawned in the past.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jehovah-s-Witness-1617/2013/1/acts-7-55.htm

First denial
“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son,” (John 3:16)

The trinity believer will state,” God manifested in the flesh” not that God sent his son.  This trinity teaching opposes God giving or sacrificing his only-begotten Son.  Therefore, they deny Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. They will claim that God bled and Jesus Christ is no longer in the picture.  This is how Satan thinks, just ask Derrick Holland, he thinks just like Satan and stated that God gave his blood not Jesus Christ The Trinity teaches a different doctrine leading sinners away from Christ.

“For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.” (2 John 7)  http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jehovah-s-Witness-1617/2011/2/Reason-Trinity-Believer

If Jesus is God then their is no "ransom sacrifice".  Then Jesus never died for our sins because "God" cannot die.  It's interesting if God never died, then how come Derrick Holland claims "God" was resurrected in the flesh?  It all leads to one thing.  Derrick Holland is on the JW Public forum to deceive and mislead, not only is his deception repulsive but he is rather "rude" and calls names to those who refuse his unbiblical views.

IN our Brochure , "Should You Believe in the Trinity? It gives the two man-made doctrines that denounce Jesus has the Christ by making him into one of the Almighty Gods. Modalism was rejected early in the 4th Century, but later re-added towards the end of the fourth Century.  You can see why Trinitarians are so upset by being exposed as Hypocritical. Both doctrines never name "Jesus" or give him credit as being the Christ.  Actually, these teachings are contrary to Jesus being the "Christ".

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In the first translation of the Hebrew scriptures which began about 300 years before Christ. Isaiah 9:6 once read in the Greek Septuagint Mighty Angel for Mighty God, Angel of Great Counsel for Wonderful Counselor, and Father Of New Age for Eternal Father.

So the scripture looked like this: For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Angel of Great Counsel, Mighty Angel, Father of the New Age, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)

If you're a studious Bible Student, you will notice (there has been a child born to us) and  (there has been a son given to us).  This is confirmed even by the KJV.  "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;" (Hebrews 5:8)

Also notice "the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder" In (Isaiah 9:6) that piece of scripture goes unnoticed by those who oppose him.  Jehovah Witnesses over 100 years ago knew that the only begotten son was in heaven with His Father.  However, Satan was totally oblivious to who this son would be.  However scripture does gives us some Insight.  "And during that time Mi′cha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of your people. And there will certainly occur a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time." (Daniel 12:1)

Other scriptures that point to Jesus being the angel of Jehovah:

"After forty years had passed, an angel appeared to Moses in the flames of a burning bush in the desert near Mount Sinai." (Acts 7:30 NIV)

"When Moses saw it , he was amazed at the sight, and as he drew near to look, there came the voice of the Lord :" (Acts 7:31  English Standard Version)

Moses could not of seen God since, "No man has seen God at any time" (John 1:18)  Even though scripture states that Moses talked with God face to face, Moses was talking to Jehovah's Archangel (((Jesus))) however,  at this time he was not given "the name" Jesus (Philippians 2:9-10)  Also notice the term when referring to Jesus.   (((it))) in Acts 7:31.

More scriptures:

"Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts."  ( Malachi 3:1  Darby Bible Translation)

"But to you who fear my name shall the sun of righteousness arise with healing in its wings . You will go out, and leap like calves of the stall." (Malachi 4:2  World English Bible)

John the Baptizer was the messenger sent to prepare the way before the coming "Christ" .  The Lord will suddenly come to his temple and this Angel of the covenant is delighted in: behold, he comes!   Only those "pure" in heart can see!

"when as yet he had not made the earth and the open spaces and the first part of the dust masses of the productive land.  When he prepared the heavens I was there; when he decreed a circle upon the face of the watery deep, when he made firm the cloud masses above, when he caused the fountains of the watery deep to be strong, when he set for the sea his decree that the waters themselves should not pass beyond his order, when he decreed the foundations of the earth, then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time, being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men." (Proverbs 8:26-31)  Jehovah was specially fond of this Master Worker day by day for he delighted in the Angel of the Wisdom and this angel being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men.  This is how Jesus was given the title, "Son of Man".  

This Angel of the Covenant is the Angel of Great Counsel or the Angel of Wisdom has Proverbs eight puts it.  Wisdom is Jesus personified and spoken in the "feminine sense". Why?  "Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way , the earliest of his achievements of long ago.  From time indefinite I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth." (Proverbs 8:22-23)

Jesus stated, "So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." (John 17:5)

A studious Bible Student has no doubt this is talking about Jesus and that Jehovah produced Jesus as the Beginning of his way, since Paul refers to the Organization that Jesus started while on earth as the way .  Anyone who belonged to this New Organization Jesus started was going to be imprisoned and put to death.  "But Saul, yet breathing threatening and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,  and asked of him letters to Damascus unto the synagogues, that if he found any that were of the Way , whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem." (Acts 9:1-2 American Standard Bible)  This proves Derrick Holland is lying about Jesus never having an Organization.  Matter of fact, those who were not part of the Way were called "unbelievers".

Notice Jesus witness about himself: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you that kill the prophets, and stone them which are sent to you, how often would I have gathered your children together, even as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and you would not!"  (Matthew 23:37 KJV)  Here, not only does Jesus talk about himself as of having Wings, but in the "feminine sense" as a Mother Hen who protects her baby chicks from vipers by spreading Her Wings for protection.  Are you getting the picture??  

Want more scriptures?

"In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bore them, and carried them all the days of old." (Isaiah 63:9 KJV)  Was Jesus afflicted with our sins?  Did he not feel pity??  Did he not bare our sins and redeem us???  You would have to deny scripture.  

Still more scriptures:

"His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire" (Revelation 1:14 KJV)

"His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters" (Revelation  1:15 KJV)

" These things said the Son of God, who has his eyes like to a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; (Rev 2:8  KJV)

"I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright morning star. " (Rev 22:16)

Trinitarians and Modalists alike, deny Jesus as "the Christ" by saying he is God.  "In answer Simon Peter said: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” (Matthew 16:16)

Notice the scripture doesn't state Jesus is God or Almighty God as trinitarians do, and when you ask them for scripture, they harass you and call you names if you don't buy into their unbibical views.

Take Care,
Brother Rando


PS...  The Video trinitarians hate!!!   http://www.xtranormal.com/xtraplayr/8287960/jehovah-witness-vs-trinity-believer  

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Brother Rando is a student of Prophecy and one of Jehovah's Witnesses in good standing with the Faithful and Discreet slave. His interests are directed towards how the time of the end would come about. The earth’s population today is going through a physical, spiritual and emotional tribulation that has been prophesied concerning a time of distress as it enters into a cleansing period of removing wickedness by means of God’s Kingdom. (Daniel 12:1) Brother Rando’s discussions are of keen interest to many who await for God's Kingdom. He asserts that his discussions are just that, and not Prophecies, nor does he make the claim to be inspired. His authority is the Bible. He proclaims the year 2034 to be of very high interest to all. Like a GPS, that gives Insight to location, 2034 allows us to gauge where we are in the stream of time according to God’s Will. According to Brother Rando, the Bible carries two thoughts in it’s passages, one is fleshy and the other is spiritual. Jesus Christ warned Peter of thinking fleshy and that this type of thinking is not from God. (Matthew 16:23) In order to measure time, a method of measurement is needed. Measuring time by “the day” would mean a 24 hour period. However, measuring “the day” spiritually would mean a period of time yet to be revealed using other scripture to interpret the method needed. By looking into the Bible, we can actually determine what God meant by “the day” when looking into his Word on how his Will would come about. As we read (Genesis 2:16-17) the punishment for disobedience was death “in the day”. As time went on, the scriptures do begin to reveal the time frame of “the day”. According to Genesis 5:5, Adam lived 930 years and then he died. Satan who thinks like a man, got it wrong! (Genesis 3:4-5) Why Study the Bible

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In Brother Rando’s research of the Bible, he found scripture does interpret other scripture. The answer to how long a day was, according to God’s Will was found in Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8. This is vital to gaining understanding in how we are to measure time in God’s view. Spiritually and not fleshy or physical. A day in heavens time is a thousand years to us. It’s by this method we can measure time and where we are in the stream of time of the end. In answer Jesus said to them: “Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” (John 2:19) Was Jesus indicating that he was the Temple of God, God’s Kingdom? And that the temple would in fact be destroyed or broken down? According to God’s Word, the following scripture is the basis for Salvation. “For if you publicly declare that ‘word in your own mouth,’ that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.” (Romans 10:9) In order for John 2:19 and Romans 10:9 to come in line, did Jesus utter a prophecy about God's Kingdom since he stated, “I will raise it up”? IF the basis for salvation is that Jesus is Lord and that God raised him up. We can conclude that Jesus did not raise himself up, but it was God that raised him from the dead since he was dead and conscious of nothing at all. (Ecc 9:5) Jesus prophesied that HE would raise God's Kingdom. (Rev 5:10) Jesus was speaking prophetically of raising the temple within the third day of a thousand years. Jesus warned Peter not to think the thoughts of man. (Matthew 16:23) Based on 2 Peter 3:8 we are able to determine the time frame to when God’s Kingdom would be raised up by Jesus Christ. Jesus was put to death on Nisan 14, 33CE. The two days would actually represent two thousand years and we come up with the year 2033. Jesus stated,“in three days I will raise it up.” So the third day is upon us in 2034.

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“I fully support, acknowledge and cooperate with *The Faithful Steward and Its' Governing Body* of Jehovah’s Witnesses.” I am property of the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" that Jesus, my brother, is appointing over his belongings. This Slave is the Governing Body of Jehovah's Earthly Organization known Worldwide as "Jehovah's Witnesses". When the Mountain-like organizations act against God's chosen people after Babylon has been destroyed, Jehovah will slaughter those who are touching the pupils of his eyes. Even though Babylon the Great is spoken as a woman and she has fallen in (Rev. 14:8), the sacred secret is that she is not a woman at all, but the World of False Religion that will be utterly destroyed by the personal hand of Jesus Christ as (King Abaddon) in the coming Great Tribulation never to be found again! (Matthew 24:14)

Publications
Secular Historians point to the Temple in Jerusalem being destroyed in 70 AD by the Romans. But was Jesus Christ speaking in a physical sense since that Temple is non-existent today? Jehovah Witnesses assert that Jesus under inspiration of Holy Spirit was actually prophesying about his spiritual body as the only means to approach his Heavenly Father. (John 14:6) Not the Temple made by hands or his fleshy body as Christendom claims, but his spiritual body, known as the Body of Christ. (1 Cor 12:27) This would actually be the Collective Representative of God’s Kingdom in how we can approach the One True God JEHOVAH. Brother Rando is not the first to come up with this time frame. In the first part of 1914, the Bible Students known as International Bible Students Association discussed the “time of trouble” on the printed page called The Bible Students Monthly. Early in 1914, an issue of The Bible Students Monthly was issued with the large bold heading “END OF WORLD IN 1914? Some have quoted the large headline of this tract as proof that Russell was expecting the “end of the world” in 1914. However, such neglect the subheading under the larger headline, which states: “NOT THE VIEW OF PASTOR RUSSELL NOR OF I.B.S.A.” International Bible Students Association: "Nevertheless, when viewed from God’s standpoint, we are still “shortly after” 1914. Although Russell himself did not think the time of trouble would be this long, he did allow that it could be. It is possible that the time allotted for this period is 120 years (1914+120=2034), but that these days will be “cut short” some time before they are allowed to reach their end. We do not put this forth as a “prophecy”, nor would we feel anything was wrong if 2034 came and went and nothing had happened as far the full binding of Satan and the destruction of his empire is concerned. All things are in God’s hands."

Education/Credentials
According to the discussion, 1914 represents the year that the earth would enter into a time of distress and that time limit could very well be 120 years. Which again, brings up the year 2034. The year 1914 is derived by a prophecy of the end of the Gentile times. Brother Rando insists that we should not live by a date, but to use this time to get right with God. Jesus continually pointed that the people who were on the earth when he would raise God’s Temple would be like those people in Noah’s time, taking no note. Where do the 120 years come from? If we read Genesis 6:3, most people think of this scripture in the fleshy sense of man’s lifespan. But could there be a spiritual meaning, giving those with Insight a divine warning? The Bible does say, “make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end.” (Daniel 12:4) Could it be, this world has entered into it’s Last Days in 1914? (1 Timothy 3:1-5) Yet there is another scripture that helps us measure the time. In Ecclesiastes 6:6 it reads, “Even supposing that he has lived a thousand years twice over and yet he has not seen what is good, is it not to just one place that everyone is going?” The chapter talks about vanity and that if a person actually lived two thousand years without God’s Kingdom we are all heading to the same place. Since death was the punishment, we would need God’s Kingdom to conquer death, the place we all are heading. A thousand years twice over is two thousand years. Simple math again brings us to the time of 2034, when the second thousand years has been brought to it’s finish. Could Christ Millennial reign be from 2034 to 3034? We don’t know. Jesus stated, he would raise God’s Temple in the third day, so we can expect God's Kingdom to be fully operating sometime between the years 2034 and 3034. However, Jesus Christ was risen first thing on the very morning in the third day. Most Bible readers are in agreement that Christ does rule for a thousand years.

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Armageddon is the actual cleansing of the earth from all wickedness. If in the literal sense, it would consist of angels coming down from heaven to bring death to all those rejecting the Kingdom of God. But if it is spiritual, Armageddon could very will take place without the knowledge that it is actually occurring. If this is the case, then Armageddon would commence without the knowledge that the wicked are simply dying off. There seems to be evidence in scripture to how God destroyed the forefather’s in the wilderness. They died off in the wilderness at the hand of the destroyer without knowing of such, as Paul eloquently explains in 1 Corinthians 10:1-10. If.....

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