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Since it's already been proven that the CROSS is a lie and that Jesus did not die on a traditional CROSS, thus the case against the lie that is CROSS is now close.

I rest my case on this case.

Unless of course, opposers, apostates and proponents of the CROSS still see the need to defend the indefensible - the lie that is the CROSS? Go ahead.

But as I said before  - you will fail. So better quit now why you still can.

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Now that it has been established (according to history, archeology and the Scripture) that:

1. The Cross is pagan and of Pagan Origin.

2. The Cross was used and still being used in various forms of worship including as a symbol of sex.

4. The Voice of Tradition was the source for believing that Jesus died on the CROSS.

5. The Greek word 'Xylon" can only mean a pole or tree not the traditional CROSS (with two crossbeam) in connection with Jesus' death.

6. The Latin word 'Crux' (from which the word cross was derived from) also means a pole or a beam, not the traditional CROSS (with two crossbeam)in connection with Jesus' death.

7. The Greek word 'stauros' can only mean a pole or a torture stake (in the scriptures)in connection with Jesus' death..

What must a Christian like YOU do then about the CROSS? Should you still continue to use it  - as a part of your worship to God and as a Christian symbol?

If honesty and truth is what you seek and that truth IS important to you and want to please God, then the obvious answer is  - COMPLETELY ABANDON IT .  

Yes, do so without delay!!!

It must be abandoned along with all the falsehoods associated with it. Abandon it like the plague, like a detestable idol that must be burned and discarded in the dust bin of history. Yes the CROSS, the Pagan CROSS that you've come to know and venerated must never be a part of a Christian's way of worship to the Living God! This is NOT me telling you but God himself!

He pleads:

“Turn away, turn away, get out of there, touch nothing unclean; get out from the midst of her, keep yourselves clean, YOU who are carrying the utensils of Jehovah.” (Isaiah 52:11)


It is a must if you want to remain clean in God's eyes. But to continue to do so after knowing the truth is not only foolish but dangerous! It is like pretending that no harm will come after drinking a cup of water laced with poison. It's a deadly endeavor no matter how small the amount of poison is in the water - it's still a deadly concoction! And anyone who says otherwise is a fool. Anyone who says that IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL is only lying to himself. It won't work no matter how you mixed it up!

Just like the CROSS - IT'S a BIG DEAL whether you believe in it or not because it reveals your true love for the truth. And since Jesus did not die on a traditional CROSS, thus to believe that he did is a lie. And a lie is a lie just like any poison mixed with water is still a poison. IT'S a BIG DEAL whether you drink it or not.

It's a blatant lie and it doesn't make it right in God's sight EVEN IF - to quote Mr. Holland - "you believe that Jesus died for you". There's no justification at all, especially NOW that you KNOW the truth!

In addition what good is it in believing that Jesus died for your sins if you continue to live in a lie which is sin? Nothing but the height of hypocrisy.

And that's exactly what Mr. Holland would like you to believe. That the God of Truth will still accept you even if you believe in a lie. That it won't matter much to God whether the CROSS is a LIE ...as long as... (to quote him again) ... "you believe that Jesus died for you".

Fact is, Mr. Holland is so convinced of this that he will detract anyone from knowing the truth and will disparage anyone who reveals the truth.

The fact that he even admitted that such truths (about the CROSS) is NOT a BIG DEAL is proof enough that the man doesn't know and doesn't realize the dangerous path he's in and the danger he's leading people to "a wide road to leading off to destruction" (Matthew 7:13, 14.
).

As the Scripture warned us:

“LET them be. Blind guides is what they are. If, then, a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”” (Matthew 15:14)


No wonder, he tried hard and will try harder to justify the lie in order to divert everyone's attention from knowing the truth. He mixes truth with half truth to confuse and hide the truth from everyone.

For how else can someone make the CROSS appear to mean something that it is NOT - like a POLE? How can someone make something appear to what it's NOT, like a magician? Yet, that's exactly what Mr. Holland have shown. Exactly what he revealed from his bags of tricks.


To quote:

"ALL wooden “crosses” are “xylon”s, but not all “xylon”s are crosses.  “xylon” could be a cross, pole, a wooden shingle, a wooden table, or a wooden canoe.  We all know that Jesus wasn’t crucified on a canoe, or an a table.  He was crucified on a cross, which was made of wood, making it a “xylon”. --end quote

By making a half-truth appear to be the whole truth and nothing but the truth, the lie becomes truth. By equating a very simple word to very serious ones, the confusion is established and the trick is achieved.

That is to paraphrase:

Since "All adultery is fornication, but not all fornication is adultery" thus it can be said that "ALL wooden “crosses” are “xylon”s, but not all “xylon”s are crosses" xylon” could be a cross, pole, a wooden shingle, a wooden table, or a wooden canoe.  We all know that Jesus wasn’t crucified on a canoe, or an a table.  He was crucified on a cross, which was made of wood, making it a “xylon”. --end quote



But in all honesty, to use such word play and context manipulation and trickery (whether he realizes it or not) is a clear indication of the desperate attempt to convince people to believe a lie.


Otherwise why try to convince YOU that the traditional CROSS is BE a POLE just because both are made of wood?

The reason is very obvious - 'a POLE is a CROSS and a CROSS is a POLE' because Mr. Holland's entire premise lies on a mistaken belief that Jesus died on a CROSS.

Simple as that!

And if you believe such explanation, well - grab a pen and paper and write down $1 million on it and use it to buy a $1 million yacht. After all money is made of paper so there's no difference whether you use real money or funny money since both are made of paper.


Just like Mr. Holland said - "ALL wooden “crosses” are “xylon”s, ... the“xylon” could be a cross..." because "We all know that Jesus wasn’t crucified on a canoe, or an a table.  He was crucified on a cross, which was made of wood, making it a “xylon”. --end quote


Twist and turn INDEED!!! And what a tangled web you've spun Mr. Holland and sad part is you've caught yourself in it!!!


Which brings me to these next half-truths statements:



>>>>>>>>>Eddie’s contention, is that ALL Bibles up until the NWT, contained “lies”.  He said so.   To my knowledge, there are only FOUR “bibles” that do not use the word ’cross”, including the NWT.  And of the other 3, ALL of them were published AFTER the NWT.  If there are any others prior to the NWT, I am not aware of them.  

So, Eddie believes that ALL Bibles up until the NWT, were lying.


"...Eddie, when the premise you are left with, is to imply that all Bibles up until the 20th century were LYING, then you lose….Plain and simple.  Again, history, archaeology, and Scripture, all stand against your position <<<<<<<<<

Well, Mr. Holland since you failed to DISPROVE my premise, my contention that:

1. The Cross is pagan and of Pagan Origin
2. The Cross was used and still being used in various forms of worship including as a symbol of sex.
4. The Voice of Tradition was the source for believing that Jesus died on the CROSS.
5. The Greek word 'Xylon" can ONLY mean a pole or tree not the traditional CROSS (with two crossbeam) when it comes to Jesus execution.
6. The Latin word 'Crux' (from which the word cross was derived from) also mean a pole or a beam, not the traditional CROSS (with two crossbeam) when it comes to Jesus execution.
7. The Greek word 'stauros' can't mean a pole or a torture stake when it comes to Jesus execution.


Thus you're now become the #1 promoter and THE #1 advocate of a lie. Congrats! But I'm not sure if you should be proud of it.


And since that it's been established that the CROSS is a LIE, thus it's MY CONTENTION and PREMISE that for ANY Bible that CONTAINS the word CROSS - as the executional instrument of Jesus (as in "nailed to the CROSS") - that Bible MUST then CONTAIN the LIE - that is the CROSS.

Simple as that.


To repeat, since the CROSS is a LIE thus any Bible that has it on its pages must then CONTAIN the LIE! It's not as you put it: "all Bibles up until the 20th century were LYING".


Big difference.

And if you're using such translation, may I suggest to replace it with the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURES - by Jehovah's Witnesses.

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/



Painful as it is to accept, but it's the truth.


And the one who loses IS the one who continually believe the LIE that is the CROSS - YOU.


The one who is not humble enough to admit a lie - YOU is the one who loses.


On the other hand, the written WORD of God, God's Word the Bible is the Truth and will always remain the truth for Jehovah God is the Living God and will preserve it forever.

As Scripture tells us:

“. . .The sayings of Jehovah are pure; They are like silver refined in an earthen furnace , purified seven times.  7 You will guard them, O Jehovah; You will protect each one them from this generation forever.”  (Psalm 12:6, 7)

Thus His words will remain untarnished and will be fulfilled and ALL lies will be exposed - including your revered CROSS.


And yes, using your own statement Mr. Holland "history, archaeology, and Scripture, all stand against your position and will prove that the Word of God is right when put against your own! Plain and simple.

And if you can't justifiably and satisfactorily explain how the prophecy of Jesus dying on a tree or pole was fulfilled while "crucified on a cross" then I rest my case.


And since God's Word is the strongest and the final arbiter of the truth - thus my case against the lie that is the CROSS is now closed.  

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