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Hello again Eddie,

"This question is a non-starter. Just because one is self taught thus one is disqualified in your book?"

From pruning roses, no. From translating God's words, DEFINITELY,

"If so then would you also say that these geniuses are disqualified from their practices since they were self-taught?

Michael Faraday - no scientific experience or education.
Gregor Mendel"

Well, that's a fair question, and fairly easy to answer. So let's take a look.


From Wikipedia:

Michael Faraday - In 1812, at the age of twenty, and at the end of his APPRENTICESHIP, Faraday ATTENDED LECTURES by the EMINENT ENGLISH CHEMIST Humphry Davy of the Royal Institution and Royal Society, and John Tatum, founder of the City Philosophical Society...Faraday subsequently sent Davy a three-hundred-page book BASED ON NOTES HE HAD TAKEN during these lectures....When one of the Royal Institution's assistants, John Payne, was sacked, Sir Humphry Davy was asked to find a replacement, and APPOINTED FARADAY AS A CHEMICAL ASSISTANT at the Royal Institution on 1 March 1813...Faraday's earliest chemical work was AS AN ASSISTANT to Humphry Davy.

I's say it's obvious Faraday had scientific experience and education, wouldn't you? One down. On to Mendel.

Gregor Mendel - ...From 1840 to 1843, HE (Mendel) STUDIED PRACTICAL AND THEORETICAL PHILOSOPHY AS WELL AS PHYSICS at the University of Olomouc Faculty of Philosophy,...Upon recommendation of HIS PHYSICS TEACHER Friedrich Franz, Mendel entered the Augustinian St Thomas's Abbey and began his training as a priest...MENDEL WORKED AS A SUBSTITUTE HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER....In 1850 he failed the oral part, the last of three parts, of his exams to become a certified high school teacher. In 1851 HE WAS SENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF VIENNA TO STUDY Under the sponsorship of Abbot C. F. Napp SO THAT HE COULD GET MORE FORMAL EDUCATION...Mendel returned to his abbey in 1853 AS A TEACHER, PRINCIPALLY OF PHYSICS.

I'd say it's obvious Mendel had formal training as well. And I didn't even look at any of the other sites after reading this. So, I have more than proven my point about these guys' education. Moving on.


"Ron, do you know that when the Bible was being written, there was only ONE author?"

I'm well aware of that. You're double-talking, though. The writers of the Bible were there to put the Author's words on paper. They were inspired by God and the Holy Spirit. Are you saying that they were inspired incorrectly? Or that they WEREN'T inspired by God, in which case it brings me back to my previous question: WHY would God allow them to get it wrong?

I am focused on the writers of your bible because they were FAR from qualified to do what they did. As far as the forward you sent me, it holds no water. Especially since, as I keep implying by my questions, I don't believe God allowed billions of people to perish until 1961 when your guys came along. If that's the case, how do you reconcile that with 2 Pet. 3:9?

To my question on why you would trust these characters with such an awesome responsibility, you replied:

"The simple answer to your questions is to look at the finished product - the NWT. Compare it with what's out there and we can easily see their competence!"


Either you're not reading my emails, or you are, sadly, completely brainwashed. How do you hold up as competent the works of five men, barely educated AT ALL, let alone in the area of the task they undertook (making them unqualified by ANY normal litmus standards), against the potential THOUSANDS of scholars that produced HUNDREDS of Bibles supporting the KJV???

Since the bondage your church has you in won't allow you to research these things for yourself, take a look at what I found in my research on Bible.ca:


What leading Greek scholars say about the NWT:

   Dr. Bruce M. Metzger, professor of New Testament at Princeton University, calls the NWT "a frightful mistranslation," "Erroneous" and "pernicious" "reprehensible" "If the Jehovah's Witnesses take this translation seriously, they are polytheists." (Professor of New Testament Language and Literature)
   Dr. William Barclay, a leading Greek scholar, said "it is abundantly clear that a sect which can translate the New Testament like that is intellectually dishonest."
   British scholar H.H. Rowley stated, "From beginning to end this volume is a shining example of how the Bible should not be translated."
   "Well, as a backdrop, I was disturbed because they (Watchtower) had misquoted me in support of their translation." (These words were excerpted from the tape, "Martin and Julius Mantey on The New World Translation", Mantey is quoted on pages 1158-1159 of the Kingdom interlinear Translation)
   Dr. Julius Mantey , author of A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament, calls the NWT "a shocking mistranslation." "Obsolete and incorrect." "IT IS NEITHER SCHOLARLY NOR REASONABLE to translate John 1:1 'The Word was a god.'"
   "I have never read any New Testament so badly translated as The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of The Greek Scriptures.... it is a distortion of the New Testament. The translators used what J.B. Rotherham had translated in 1893, in modern speech, and changed the readings in scores of passages to state what Jehovah's Witnesses believe and teach. That is a distortion not a translation." (Julius Mantey , Depth Exploration in The New Testament (N.Y.: Vantage Pres, 1980), pp.136-137)
   the translators of the NWT are "diabolical deceivers." (Julius Mantey in discussion with Walter Martin)

That's only four scholars, too.

Eddie, it's sad to say this, but your answers to me only show that you are willing to deny all the facts and blindly follow a false church. Any church that won't allow you to think as an individual and research things outside your church's teachings is a false church, bordering on a cult. it would be admirable how you stand and defend your beliefs if they weren't based on false teachings. So unless you "come out of her", I'm afraid you are in for a very rude awakening. I've prayed about you and I've presented the facts to you. You not only deny the undeniable truth and facts, but you ignore altogether the questions you have no answers for. This will probably be my last email to you. I'm sure you're glad to hear that! It's apparent to me, by the way you deny the facts no matter how rational they are, that your church and the god of this age have blinded you. I'll keep praying that you escape before it's too late. Take care.

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Hi Ron,

Nice try on Faraday but I believe what you quoted from the Wiki was after the facts.

Here's one prior to 1812 before becoming a famous assistant:

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"Michael Faraday (1791- 1867) was an influential British scientist who, amongst other discoveries, helped turn electricity into a property that could be easily used.

He was born on 22 September 1791 in south London to relatively poor parents. At the age of 14, he left school and started an apprenticeship at a local book binder. In his spare time he was an avid reader, teaching himself many scientific concepts. Faraday was thus mostly self-taught and became one of the greatest scientists despite his rudimentary maths.

In 1812, at the age of 20 he receive some tickets for a series of lectures by the eminent scientist Humphry Davy. After the lecture Michael sent Davy a 300 page document offering notes on the lectures. Davy was impressed and he employed Faraday as an assistant. This later led to a Fullerian Professor of Chemistry at the Royal Institution of Great Britain, a position to which he was appointed for life."

http://www.biographyonline.net/scientists/michael-faraday.html


In regards to Brother Franz, you seem to portray him as an uneducated man, but to the contrary:


Brother Frederick William Franz was born in Covington, Kentucky, U.S.A., on September 12, 1893. In 1899 the family moved to Cincinnati, where Frederick graduated from high school in 1911. He then entered the University of Cincinnati, taking a liberal arts course. He had decided that he would become a Presbyterian preacher, so he vigorously applied himself to the study of Bible Greek. At the university Frederick was chosen to receive a Rhodes scholarship, qualifying him for admission to Oxford University in England. However, before an announcement could be made, Frederick lost all interest in the scholarship and asked that his name be dropped from the list of contestants.

 Previously, his brother Albert had sent him a booklet that he had obtained from the International Bible Students. Later Albert gave him the first three volumes of “Studies in the Scriptures.” Frederick was delighted with what he was learning and decided to sever his connection with the Presbyterian Church and associate with the congregation of Bible Students. On November 30, 1913, he was baptized. In May 1914 he left the university, and he immediately made arrangements to become a colporteur (pioneer).

 In June 1920 he became a member of the Bethel family in Brooklyn. Following the death of N. H. Knorr, in June 1977, Brother Franz was elected to the office of president of the Society. He served faithfully as a member of the Governing Body down till his death, on December 22, 1992, at the age of 99."

Regardless of the backgrounds of self-taught geniuses, the BEST way to JUDGE their credentials is their work. And if you believe that Brother Franz was one of the translators of the NWT - then BY ALL MEANS judge him by his work on the NWT.

As for the "rude awakening", to the contrary, I'm wide AWAKE! to the truth! It's those who are captives of Christendom that are in for "rude awakening" when the last days of this system come to its final conclusion!

For whom among those who claim to be Christians can truly and PROUDLY say this to the Lord Jesus Christ:

I have done what you've commanded me!

I've declared the Good News of your COMING Kingdom and I Declared the excellencies of Jah Jehovah your God and Father the Most High over the whole earth.

“. . .And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.” (Matthew 24:14)


“18 That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.” (Psalm 83:18)


Can you Ron? Do you know what Jehovah God's will is?

““This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘Clap your hands and stamp with your foot, and say: “Alas!” on account of all the bad detestable things of the house of Israel, because by the sword, by the famine and by the pestilence they will fall. 12 As for the one far away, by the pestilence he will die; and as for the one that is nearby, by the sword he will fall; and as for the one that has been left remaining and that has been safeguarded, by the famine he will die, and I will bring to its finish my rage against them. 13 And YOU people will have to know that I am Jehovah, when their slain ones come to be in the midst of their dungy idols, all around their altars, upon every high hill, on all the tops of the mountains and under every luxuriant tree and under every branchy big tree, the place where they have offered a restful odor to all their dungy idols. 14 And I will stretch out my hand against them and make the land a desolate waste, even a desolation worse than the wilderness toward Dib′lah, in all their dwelling places. And they will have to know that I am Jehovah.’”” (Ezekiel 6:11-14)


What are you doing with your life if not giving warning to all people of the impending war of God and his coming Salvation?

“10 For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation. 11 For the Scripture says: “None that rests his faith on him will be disappointed.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for there is the same Lord over all, who is rich to all those calling upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” 14 However, how will they call on him in whom they have not put faith? How, in turn, will they put faith in him of whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? 15 How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? Just as it is written: “How comely are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”” (Romans 10:10-15)

Have you been doing this command Ron?

“. . .And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.” (Matthew 24:14)


“18 That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.” (Psalm 83:18)

If not then, who will be in for a "rude awakening"?

BTW Ron, why are you hiding behind your so called scholars?

Why not just judge it on your own? After all you say we're brainwashed so it wouldn't be too difficult for you to point the errors and flaws of the NWT.

Wouldn't it?  

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