Jehovah`s Witness/Wrong Again Mr. Holland!


Mr. Holland,

You said:

>>"Now, what this boils down to, is that Eddie wants the reading audience to think that the BIG AND IMPORTANT thing, is the placement of Jesus' hands at His crucifixion.  Man, talk about being duped by the devil, into ignoring what really matters, and focusing on the minors....So, it isn't about what Jesus' blood means for us, huh?  Its about where His hands were placed when He died?"<<

But guess what?

You're wrong again.

You know why?

...because "the BIG AND IMPORTANT thing, is" NOT "the placement of Jesus' hands at His crucifixion"" but whether the CROSS is a LIE or NOT.

And based on the evidence already presented - yes, the CROSS that many claimed that the Lord Jesus Christ died on is a lie.

That was "BIG AND IMPORTANT thing" to know if you asked me because it shows that what many have come to believed all along was a BIG LIE - the lie that is the CROSS.

This is even confirmed by your own source as I pointed it out (last time) and will point it here again:

That is:

"It was on a cross of this form, according to the general VOICE OF TRADITION, that our Lord suffered." -- The Imperial Dictionary. (caps mine)

And it was not "about what Jesus' blood means for us," NO, because - it was NEVER an issue. Everyone KNOWS this for a fact that without Jesus' shed blood "no forgiveness takes place" (Heb 9:22).

Matter of fact, this is the same answer I gave to your friend Jay - using his own statements:

In any case, I do see your point about why the Lord Jesus Christ died. Why he shed his blood. It's exactly what you said:

>>>>"Jesus died according to God's plan & purpose and in the manner prophesied in order that we might be reconciled to Him.

~II Corin 5: 18 "And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
~5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the wOrld unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
~5:20  Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
~5:21  For he hath Made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we migHt be made the righteousnss of God in him.  ~ KJV


John 3:16  "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life." ~ KJV  

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father but by me." ~ KJV<"<<<<

But these are "elementary things", these are pre-requisites for anyone becoming a Christian. That is, one must learn these BASIC things as they are the very FOUNDATION of the Christian Faith. Not having these BASIC knowledge one can't come to the Father. But once a Christian learns and accepts these important "elementary things", then what's next? He must go into deeper things and press on to maturity!

Just like what the apostle Paul said:

“For, indeed, although YOU ought to be teachers in view of the time, YOU again need someone to teach YOU from the beginning the elementary things of the sacred pronouncements of God; and YOU have become such as need milk, not solid food. 13 For everyone that partakes of milk is unacquainted with the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their perceptive powers trained to distinguish both right and wrong.
6 For this reason, now that we have left the primary doctrine about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying a foundation again, namely, repentance from dead works, and faith toward God,” (Hebrews 5:12-6:1)

As such the pursuit of TRUTH revealed in God's Word the Bible must become the vehicle to press one to maturity. He must use God's Word to keep testing himself that he is in the faith. To purify himself and rid himself of any false and detestable teachings and doctrines.

As Jesus said:

“Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth.” (John 17:17)


So to say that the "placement of his hand" is "the BIG AND IMPORTANT thing, is just a diversion.

But back to my question what's the answer to this simple question:

-- Was the prophecy fulfilled if Jesus didn't die on a "tree/pole" but on a traditional cross?  

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