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I came back from my vacation yesterday and I just had to respond to the follow up by Pearl Doxsey. I was planning to come back on the 20th but I just couldn't resist.

Bro DW

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So Pearl Doxsey instead of slinking away at the exposure of her falsehoods decides to return with a follow up and digs herself in a deeper hole.

So let me help her out with some basic bible knowledge.

This is her comment

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<I will remind you of what Rev.12:1,2 actually said...
"Now a great sign appeared IN HEAVEN : a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No one disputed that the heavenly women experienced labour pains in the first place. But then so has every single women that's ever given birth.

Isa 13:

8 "like a woman that is giving birth they have labor pains"

So are we gonna sit and argue that these are all the same labour pains??

What Pearl Doxsey doesn't realize is that just because the expression "labour pains" is used in the bible it doesn't mean that every time "labour pains" is used it's the same "labour pains".

Just like the expression "great crowd" doesn't mean it's the same "great crowd"

Matt 14:

14 " Now when he came forth he saw a great crowd; and he felt pity for them"

Rev 7:

9 "After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number"

Is this the same great crowd?? I say No. Based on Pearl's reasoning she would say Yes!!

So let's see who experiences the labour pains/pangs of distress.

Matt 24:

7 "For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress"

What do we see here??

Part of the labour pain's are nation rising against nation,food shortages and Earthquakes. So then does Pearl think all these things occur in heaven?? Based on her reasoning she must do!! This is what she say's

<<<<<<<The labor pains, according to God, take place with a heavenly woman, not an earthly one. ..........................but it does mean that these labor pains, are not coming from Satan's world.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Then she quotes me.

<<<<<<DW then says...
"Can you really argue that Satan being in heaven prevented Jesus being crowned King?? How can you say that the basis of Jesus kingship is Satan being hurled to Earth?? It's nonsense!! This is what the scriptures say is the basis of Jesus Kingship">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Then she say's this.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Of course, I never said these things. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well then maybe Pearl can explain why she made this comment

<<<<<<<<<<<<<We are clearly being told that the kingdom begins, because Satan is cast down first.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Seems clear enough to me "the Kingdom begins BECAUSE Satan is cast down" so then if Satan hadn't been cast down the kingdom wouldn't begin,correct??. Seems pretty clear as far as I can see. Why should she deny she said that unless she knows how stupid she sounds now. Also I gave two reasons why her argument has a problem not one, yet she addresses one only.

Further she claims the kingdom BEGINS BECAUSE then tries to wriggle out of that statement by firstly denying she said that and then using some lame excuse that has nothing to do with the kingdom BEGINNING.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<Christ has not been ruling without all his co-heirs since 1914. DW has totally forgotten that the kingdom administration is more than Christ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I've forgotten nothing it's an irrelevant point because I never made the claim Jesus couldn't begin ruling without the rest of his kingdom heirs, that's her position not mine.

What Pearl also fails to understand is that the heavenly women's "labour pains" are symbolic of bringing something forth through hard work, just as they are here.

Ps 90: 2 "Before the mountains themselves were born,
Or you proceeded to bring forth as with labor pains the earth and the productive land"

The earth's "pangs of distress" are literal. Literal food shortages, literal earthquakes, literal wars. These things ACTUALLY happen and they're compared with labour pains. They're not spoke of as "labour pains" symbolizing anything. One expression is "pangs of distress"(literal) the other is "labour and in pain"(symbolic) (Matt 24:8, Rev 12:2)

This is what Jesus is referring to here

Matt 24:

7 "For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress"

Rev 12:

12 On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time"

So we see here the heavens and those in heaven are glad yet the earth experiences woe/pangs of distress/labour pains. Why??

Rev 12:

(part of 13) "the woman......... gave birth to the male child

The woman in heaven was glad to give birth yet the Earth experiences woe/pangs of distress/labour pains AFTER the heavenly women has given birth.

Now let me make this clear Pearl Doxsey isn't worried about what the scriptures say this is why she got removed from Jehovah's organization for apostasing against the scripture's

John 17:

21 "in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth. 22 Also, I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one"

1 cor 1:

10 "Now I exhort YOU, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that YOU should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among YOU, but that YOU may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought"

John 16:

13 "However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide YOU into all the truth"

Pearl say's "No I can speak in agreement with myself and the spirit has guided me and me only into all truth"

That's why the angel's removed her from the congregation.

So don't be deceived she's not interested in what the scripture's really say and she doesn't care if anyone else is either.

Acts 20:

29 "I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness, 30 and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves"

Take Care

Bro DW

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I have many years of experience serving Jehovah . I have known Jehovah a long time and I have known his organization . I have been privileged to see great progress not only in my own personal relationship with my God and Father but within his organization. I am an avid reader of the bible and have been gifted by my Father with the indescribable privilege of being allowed to understand his own word.

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The truth is all about scripture and logic. The two go hand in hand . There is not one bible verse that cannot be understood within the realms of human reasoning. Not one!! Why would it?? The bible is God's message to his creation . His creation who he made to understand things in a specific way. God is not stupid or unwise as to leave as a message then allow us to guess what it means or who he is. 1 Tim 2:3This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth" Notice the expression "accurate knowledge".

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The bible leaves signs of true christianity there are many. Jehovah's witnesses meet every single sign. One sign is the removal of false teachings that permeated the world soon after the apostles died. Jesus foretold this and he also foretold of the restoration of pure worship in the period known as the last days. The days we are currently living in. Jesus was a master of using illustrations he used an illustration to highlight this point Matt 13: "The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. 25While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. 26When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared. 27So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’ 28He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse" Why did he speak in illustrations? Matt 13:10So the disciples came and said to him: “Why do you speak to them by the use of illustrations?” 11In reply he said: “To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted" The kingdom of the heavens is full of sacred secrets that Jesus reveals only to his followers. This privilege is open to all who are really willing to submit to God and his Christ in action not just in words. These are the ones God is looking for. Are you really one?? If so I encourage you to let Jehovah's witnesses show you what the Bible really teaches.

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False religion is disgusting to God and to his true worshippers it is likened in the Bible to a harlot Rev 17:"I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication" Whereas the bride of Christ is likened to a virgin Rev 14: 4"These are the ones who did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins" These are both used as spiritual terms here and show the importance of pure and clean worship for God's people.

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