Jehovah`s Witness/1914 - Jesus became King

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Bro. Grünbaum,

Eddie G here, I can't help but chime in the conversation between you and your poster asking this question in regards to the WT 93 article quoted:

"So again, without distraction:

"The first act of Christ as newly installed King was to hurl Satan and his demonic angels out of heaven down to earth’s vicinity. This brought “woe for the earth,” in the form of the first world war and its attendant distresses."--Revelation 12:9, 12, 17". - WT '93 1/1 p.6


>>"Is the Watchtower here saying that World War I started after Satan was hurled down into the Earth? And is there any way, using the Watchtower's own timetable to push that event before October 1914? And if not, have they revised this timetable since?"<<

The answer is no.

The WTBTS is fully aware of this. Here's just one quote from a 1966 article:

==>" Inasmuch as World War I was already raging on earth when God’s Messianic kingdom was born about October 1, 1914, the war in heaven to oust Satan and his demons must have run for some time along with the international conflict here on earth. To those persons, then, who argue that there was no ouster of Satan and his demons from heaven, because they did not see it and they do not see demons walking around on earth, we say: -- *** w66 10/15 pp. 620-622 What Has God’s Kingdom Been Doing Since 1914? ***

Here's another from a 2009 WT:

*** w09 5/15 p. 18 Questions From Readers ***

When was Satan cast out of heaven?—Rev. 12:1-9.

Although the Bible book of Revelation does not give the precise time of Satan’s ousting, it does mention a series of events that can help us to estimate when he was cast out of heaven . First among the events is the birth of the Messianic Kingdom. Subsequent to that, “war broke out in heaven,” which led to Satan’s defeat and his finally being cast out of heaven.
The Scriptures clearly mark 1914 as the year when “the appointed times of the nations” ended and the Kingdom was established. (Luke 21:24) How soon after that did the war in heaven break out, resulting in Satan’s ousting?

“The dragon [Satan] kept standing before the woman who was about to give birth,” states Revelation 12:4, “that, when she did give birth, it might devour her child.” This shows that Satan wanted to dispose of the newborn Kingdom quickly, at the moment of its birth if at all possible. Though Jehovah’s intervention prevented Satan from realizing his wicked intention, Satan was determined and relentless in his effort to do harm to the newly established Kingdom. It stands to reason, therefore, that “Michael and his angels” would waste no time in taking action to remove “the dragon and its angels” from the heavenly scene so that no harm could come to the Kingdom. This suggests that the defeat and ousting of Satan took place soon after the Kingdom’s birth in 1914.

Another factor to consider is the resurrection of anointed Christians, which—as Scriptural evidence indicates—began soon after the establishment of the Kingdom. (Rev. 20:6) Since none of Christ’s anointed brothers are spoken of as accompanying Jesus in the battle with the dragon and its angels, the war in heaven and the ousting of Satan and his demons would have been completed by the time the resurrection of Christ’s brothers got under way.
So, then, the Bible does not reveal the exact time when Satan and his demons were expelled from heaven. Nevertheless, it is evident that this event closely followed the enthronement of Jesus Christ in heaven in 1914."


Also there is this fact that since the WORLD did not engage in COMPLETE WAR on July 28th 1914. It begs a question when was the official start MONTH of WWI? The simple answer is it's impossible to say.

Notice the timeline below: from 1914 - 1918 > what month can we say the world was in FULL WORLD WAR mode?

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1914


June 28th
Francis Ferdinand assassinated at Sarajevo

July 5th
Kaiser William II promised German support for Austria against Serbia

July 28th
Austria declared war on Serbia

August 1st
Germany declared war on Russia

August 3rd
Germany declared war on France and invaded Belgium. Germany had to implement the Schlieffen Plan.

August 4th
Britain declared war on Germany

August 23rd
The BEF started its retreat from Mons. Germany invaded France.

August 26th
Russian army defeated at Tannenburg and MasurianLakes.

September 6th
Battle of the Marne started

October 18th
First Battle of Ypres

October 29th
Turkey entered the war on Germany’s side. Trench warfare started to dominate the Western Front.


1915

January 19th
The first Zeppelin raid on Britain took place


February 19th
Britain bombarded Turkish forts in the Dardanelles


April 25th
Allied troops landed in Gallipoli

May 7th
The “Lusitania” was sunk by a German U-boat

May 23rd
Italy declared war on Germany and Austria

August 5th
The Germans captured Warsaw from the Russians

September 25th
Start of the Battle of Loos

December 19th
The Allies started the evacuation of Gallipoli

1916

January 27th
Conscription introduced in Britain

February 21st
Start of the Battle of Verdun

April 29th
British forces surrendered to Turkish forces at Kut in Mesopotamia

May 31st
Battle of Jutland

June 4th
Start of the Brusilov Offensive

July 1st
Start of the Battle of the Somme

August 10th
End of the Brusilov Offensive

September 15th
First use en masse of tanks at the Somme


December 7th
Lloyd George becomes British Prime Minister


1917

February 1st
Germany’s unrestricted submarine warfare campaign started

April 6th
USA declared war on Germany

April 16th
France launched an unsuccessful offensive on the Western Front

July 31st
Start of the Third Battle at Ypres

October 24th
Battle of Caporetto – the Italian Army was heavily defeated

November 6th
Britain launched a major offensive on the Western Front

November 20th
British tanks won a victory at Cambrai

December 5th
Armistice between Germany and Russia signed

December 9th
Britain captured Jerusalem from the Turks


1918

March 3rd
The Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was signed between Russia and Germany.

March 21st
Germany broke through on the Somme

March 29th
Marshall Foch was appointed Allied Commander on the Western Front

April 9th
Germany started an offensive in Flanders

July 15th
Second Battle of the Marne started. The start of the collapse of the German army

August 8th
The advance of the Allies was successful


September 19th
Turkish forces collapsed at Megiddo

October 4th
Germany asked the Allies for an armistice

October 29th
Germany’s navy mutinied

October 30th
Turkey made peace

November 3rd
Austria made peace


November 9th
Kaiser William II abdicated

November  11th
Germany signed an armistice with the Allies – the official date of the end of World War One"

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/timeline_of_world_war_one.htm

The assassination of Archduke Francis Ferdinand led to a conflict between nations but not the entire world until 1917 or so - when the United States of America finally declared war on Germany.

Lastly, using the full quote of the suspect article, here's what it said (as you've already quoted)

"What of this new creation in modern times? In the year 1914, as the Bible timetable shows, the words of Revelation 11:15 were fulfilled: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord [Jehovah] and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.” The first act of Christ as newly installed King was to hurl Satan and his demonic angels out of heaven down to earth’s vicinity. **This brought “woe for the earth,” in the form of the first world war and its attendant distresses.**—Revelation 12:9, 12, 17". - WT '93 1/1 p.6

Based on the subject being discussed, it ask:  

"What of this new creation in modern times?"

Answers are: Christ became king, Satan was ousted from heaven which brought "woe for the earth".

What "woe"? In what form?

"in the form of the first world war and its attendant distresses."

Did the "woe for the earth" started precisely in July or October?

Based on the timeline above - depends on how one look at it.

But the fact is: the Year 1914 is a marked year - the end of Gentile times and the start of God's Kingdom to operate in heaven and soon on earth. Matt 6:9, 10.




Thanks.

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Greetings brother Eddie G


I hope Mr George Steinberg reads this:


Watchtower 1966 article

Inasmuch as World War I was already raging on earth when God’s Messianic kingdom was born about October 1, 1914, the war in heaven to oust Satan and his demons must have run for some time along with the international conflict here on earth.</b> To those persons, then, who argue that there was no ouster of Satan and his demons from heaven, because they did not see it and they do not see demons walking around on earth, we say: -- *** w66 10/15 pp. 620-622 What Has God’s Kingdom Been Doing Since 1914? ***



Thanks Eddie G  My brother  

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