Jehovah`s Witness/What 40 year Pattern??????


There is no such thing as a 40 year pattern what are these idiots talking about,you even seemed to agree,I dont see it.

I asked the prophet Grunbalm and he rejected my question.

Dear Sir, if you read my reply and came away thinking that I "seem to agree" with the JW predictions, then this defies imagination.  How you arrived at that conclusion, I'll never know.  I think their reasoning is silly, and is based on a VERY faulty foundation, including the fact that the year 1975 (from which they are adding their 40 years), has no merit at all.

The only thing I was saying, is that numbers DO play a part in the Bible, and the number 40 is used repeatedly....Jesus was in the desert 40 days, Israel wondered 40 years, it rained during the Flood for 40 days and 40 nights, etc.  Some believe that the number 40 in the Scriptures, represents probation and trial.

The fact is, the numbers "40" and "7", are two of the most commonly used numbers in the Scriptures.

But nowhere did I voice ANY agreement with the absurd notions being advanced by a couple of JWs in this forum right now.  These people never learn.  They have predicted dates which have ALL been proven false, yes, even 1914.  I notice how an expert is trying to validate 1914, by pointing out that World War I started then, but that isn't what was predicted, and he knows it.  A prediction isn't validated by just SOMETHING happening...a prediction is validated by WHAT WAS PREDICTED, actually happening.

I guess if I predict that I will break my arm next Friday, and I sprain my ankle instead, I can still claim some special insight into the future.

Read my reply again....I never once agreed with the JW date-setting.  These people have shown throughout their history, that they don't have a clue when the end is coming.  They never have had a clue, and they don't have one now.  

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Derrick Holland


I was raised in the religion known as Jehovah`s Witnesses for 13 years. Since becoming a born-again Christian, I have researched extensively this religion, especially their doctrines and their history. I can answer questions about their doctrines from the perspective of Biblical Christianity. To be clear: Jehovahs Witnesses is the religion of my upbringing, though I myself was never baptized into the religion, nor have I ever been considered as a Jehovahs Witness.


29 years of Biblical research into the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith, and how they differ from the teachings of the Watchtower.

I would advise each questioner to this forum, to carefully READ the profiles of the various volunteers. There are several such as myself, who are not practicing JWs, but will provide you with an accurate and honest answer, regarding JW teaching. If we don't know the answer, we will try to research and get it for you. There are also some excellent practicing JWs here, who also endeavor to give you a factual and honest answer, based on their point of view. I believe by getting both points of view, the questioner can weigh the evidence for themselves, and make an informed decision. Unfortunately, there are also 3 here who claim to be JWs, but do NOT give honest, or well-researched answers. They will tell you only what they want you to believe, and they often hide facts about the history of their religion, as well as print untruths about other people's beliefs. This is done in an attempt to deceive the unsuspecting reader. It can be easily seen who these 3 are, simply by reading the public posts and "answers" which they write. Their posts will normally be filled with personal attacks, and if you question them about some teaching or aspect of the Watchtower that makes them uncomfortable, they will often reject your question, question your motives for asking it, tell you that you have been reading "apostate" sites, or turn the conversation into an attack on another expert. These ones are better avoided, as there is nothing to be gained by way of positive discussion, as they are not interested in intelligent conversation, or honest dialogue. If after reading the forum, you still have any questions as to who they are, just ask me, and I will be happy to tell you. And I can also provide documentation of their willful dishonesty. One thing is for a forum where people from both sides claim to be "Christians", there should never be any willful lying. Such ones only create a distraction in the forum, and provide nothing of any real value.

High School, some college. Studies of God's Word, the Bible, and how it compares to JW theology. I have found my own personal study and experiences to be far more valuable than any formal education or training. The Bible message is clear...Salvation is ONLY through and by the shed blood of Jesus Christ, and no religious organization has a thing to do with it. While attendance at a Bible-preaching, Bible-believing church is a must for spiritual growth and fellowship, no church can grant salvation to its members. Nor is joining a particular group a prerequisite for being saved.

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