Jehovah`s Witness/Jesus as the creator

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Good day DW


(Colossians 1:15-16) He [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For BY him "ALL THINGS" were created: things in "HEAVEN" and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created BY him and for him.

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(Isaiah 44:24) (RSV) 24 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: "I am the LORD, who made "ALL THINGS", who stretched out the heavens alone, who spread out the earth—Who was with me?—



>>Since Jesus is the CREATOR of "ALL THINGS" whether HEAVEN and EARTH, then as JW's doctrine that Jesus is just the "Master Worker", then here's my two question:

1)How can God(Jehovah) creates every thing "BY" Christ if God(Jehovah) created it alone??? as he says: "Who was with me?—"??

2)And since JESUS is said to be the one who created: things in "HEAVEN" and on earth, so was it JESUS who created the ANGELS too?? In case if that's the point, then is it REASONABLE to say that Archangel Michael created SATAN and GABRIEL?





MY CONCLUSION(on the two passages above):

Since it says that JESUS was the one who created: things in "HEAVEN" and on earth, then if HE IS NOT JEHOVAH, then that INCLUDES also that JEHOVAH is part of JESUS creation!!!! Which is ridiculously FUN and impossible!!! So JESUS must be JEHOVAH!!!




Any justification?



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Hi again mate

<<<<<<<1)How can God(Jehovah) creates every thing "BY" Christ if God(Jehovah) created it alone??? as he says: "Who was with me?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

What you need to be careful of is taking an isolated verse and forming an argument based on that verse. This causes problems because you're starting from an assumption and trying to make the rest of the Bible fit round that assumption.

The problem you have immediately with that argument despite everything else if you've now got to make the Jews a trinity worshiping nation! What you're actually arguing here is when God said this to the Israelite's they understood him to be a trinity. Now the reason I say that is because these are very similar arguments used in the Greek scriptures to try and say Jesus is Jehovah. Yet what we know about the Greek scriptures is that the Jews where up against the Christians , putting them up for trial and all sorts. Yet not once did they mention the Christians worshipping a trinity God in there charges, not once did they complain that Jehovah was now part of a trinity.

So the fact remains the Jews either worshipped a trinity God all along or there is no trinity.

Well we know for a fact the Jews didn't worship a trinity , therefore God wasn't claiming to be a trinity in Isaiah 44

The context here is Jehovah's power and authority over everything and everyone else.

The fact remains God is eternal and can prophesy let's consider the verse

Isaiah 44:

24 " This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser and the Former of you from the belly: “I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth. Who was with me?"

The context is talking about Jehovah prophesying in advance we see three things here.

1) Repurchaser.

This is in reference to Jehovah Repurchasing Israel from Babylon. Yet he hadn't done it yet . However once he decided it ,it was done

2)Former from the belly.

Jehovah would bring Israel back from Babylon, he would form the nation ,give them back their land and let them grow again. Yet it hadn't happened yet. However he decided it so it was done.

3) Creator on his own. Once Jehovah decided to stretch out the heavens and form the Earth, in fact once he decided to create , it was done. Even before it happened , he decided that all on his own , he was all alone when he decided that. No one was with him not even Michael/Jesus.

So that's the answer to your text.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<2)And since JESUS is said to be the one who created: things in "HEAVEN" and on earth, so was it JESUS who created the ANGELS too?? In case if that's the point, then is it REASONABLE to say that Archangel Michael created SATAN and GABRIEL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yes correct although obviously Satan wasn't evil then but he certainly helped to create the Angel that became Satan.

So no Jesus still isn't Jehovah!! hahaha

Follow up if you need

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The truth is all about scripture and logic. The two go hand in hand . There is not one bible verse that cannot be understood within the realms of human reasoning. Not one!! Why would it?? The bible is God's message to his creation . His creation who he made to understand things in a specific way. God is not stupid or unwise as to leave as a message then allow us to guess what it means or who he is. 1 Tim 2:3This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth" Notice the expression "accurate knowledge".

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