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Thank you so much for the INFO. DW.

I'll promise that I'm gonna be keeping you updated about the BIBLE STUDY of mine. I'm also hoping that there'll be no hindrances. I'll pray to Jehovah for that.


But go back to my complaint, actually, it was (1 John 1:1-5) not (John 1:1-5), you just don't see the number (1) I would guess hehe but that's just alright since that will not change the fact of you being such a brilliant bible student. (1 John 1:1-5) says: <English Standard Version>

(1) That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life— (2) the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us— (3) that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. (4) And we are writing these things so that our joy may be complete. (5) This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.




>>Point is, at verse 2, FATHER was the one who made manifest to us(which we know it's JESUS as we read it from verse 1) so JESUS is the FATHER since he's the word of LIFE and without HIM(Jesus), we can't have LIFE as he said in the BIBLE? And at verse 5, it says, "This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light," --- We know that Jesus said that "HE IS THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD" . ..


Can you please revise it for me? a KNOCK OUT REVISION will you?



Thanks again DW, you are such a great HELP to me also finding the "REAL" TRUTH!! I'm so very thankful I came here in this site... It changed me a lot!



P.S. >> I forgot to ask this, what really is the meaning of (Matthew 28:19) why is it here in this verse the three persons appear when speaking about of Baptizing where in the other verses, like ( Acts 8) we see that the Samaritans heard the word and believed. but only baptized in the name of JESUS??? Not the three persons at all. Does that mean, that TRINITY really scriptural???? and in (Acts 10) Cornelius, being an unbaptized one, but he's filled with the holy spirit by just believing JESUS not after baptizing??? unlike the Samaritans because they get baptized already then that's the time they received the Holy spirit??? I'm confused to this... Any corrections??? And also, at (Acts 4:12) also tells us that the name of Jesus is the only one by which we must be saved. And (Col. 3:17) tells us that everything we do, whether in word or action, should be done in Jesus' name. Sorry for the confusing question. I am no good in ENGLISH! Hope you understand all that. LOOKING FORWARD.

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Hi again mate

OH yeah quite right I didn't see the 1 . OK let's take a look then.

Here's the text

1 John 1:

(1) "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life— (2) the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us— (3) that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. (4) And we are writing these things so that our joy may be complete. (5) This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all."

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>Point is, at verse 2, FATHER was the one who made manifest to us(which we know it's JESUS as we read it from verse 1) so JESUS is the FATHER since he's the word of LIFE and without HIM(Jesus), we can't have LIFE as he said in the BIBLE? And at verse 5, it says, "This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light," --- We know that Jesus said that "HE IS THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD" . ..>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ok I'll answer this then I'm gonna give you some advice. I will answer this in the form of questions and some statements.

1)Where here do we see that the Father was made manifest to us??

I see here that eternal life was made manifest to us, through the word of life that was WITH the father.

2)Read verse 3 is it realistic to think that Jesus is his own Father??

What I want you to do is read that and think about it, forget all the doctrines you've learnt in your time in the church and just read verse three with no prejudice. What conclusion do you reach??

Let me write something similar here remember you know nothing about me you have no pre-conceived ideas what conclusion do you reach when you read this??

"DW is going to go to his Father's house"

What conclusion do you reach?? That I am my own Father?? Or exactly what it say's??

The Bible is no different basic doctrine is really, really simple ,FACT!!

OK something else I want you to consider you mention verse 5 this is your question

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<And at verse 5, it says, "This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light," --- We know that Jesus said that "HE IS THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

OK correct, God is light, Jesus is the light of the world, BUT so are the apostles.

Matt 5:

14 "YOU are the light of the world"

So does this mean the apostles are also the Father?? How many Fathers are there now?? Do we follow this same argument through and start worshipping the apostles and saying they're also God??

So that argument fails, immediately.

What you must start to do is read the bible without assuming anything. That's a big key. DO NOT ASSUME ANYTHING!! The Bible interprets the Bible, we do not ,it interprets itself.

Let me give you an example . People that say "God's nature is a mystery" . How do they know that?? They don't know it they assume it!! They're starting their whole doctrinal basis on the "Fact" that God is a mystery and they refuse to let go of that assumption, point blank refuse!! So the leave themselves tangled up in their own mess.

You can't be like that you need to start thinking for yourself you need to start doing this.

1 John 4:

1 "Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world"

When you start your Bible study you'll see exactly how that works.

OK mate that's all I have time for right now. I'll do the rest of your question tonight.

Take Care

Now to the rest of your post

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, I forgot to ask this, what really is the meaning of (Matthew 28:19)>>>>>>>>>

Here's the text

Matt 28:

19  "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit"

OK now what we know from this text is that baptism has to be done in a certain "name" . Holy spirit does not have a name,so it's not a literal name it means in "recognition of".

Let me give you an example. Have you ever heard the expression "stop in the name of the law" that expression doesn't mean the law has a literal name just that it's in recognition of what the law is and what it stands for.

This is exactly the same here.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<why is it here in this verse the three persons appear when speaking about of Baptizing where in the other verses, like ( Acts 8) we see that the Samaritans heard the word and believed. but only baptized in the name of JESUS??? Not the three persons at all. Does that mean, that TRINITY really scriptural????>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

What needs to be remembered in bible times is that many people already recognized Jehovah (the Father) and everything to do with him and his holy spirit. But they didn't recognize Jesus , that's why they where taught about Jesus , taught about how he was the messiah and his role in God's purpose. Once they recognized Jesus and who he was they got baptized in recognition of Jesus.

So the whole thing is about being taught who Jesus was they didn't need to be taught who the Father was or Holy Spirit because they already knew. Let me show you an example.

Let's use Cornelius.

Acts 10:

22 “Cornelius, an army officer, a man righteous and fearing God and well reported by the whole nation of the Jews, was given divine instructions by a holy angel to send for you to come to his house and to hear the things you have to say"

So here we see Cornelius and look what it say's.He was a man fearing God, so he already knew who God was ,he already knew what God had done he already had recognition of God. But what he didn't have was recognition of Jesus. So this is what Peter did:

34 "For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial, 35  but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him. 36  He sent out the word to the sons of Israel to declare to them the good news of peace through Jesus Christ: this One is Lord of all [others]. 37  YOU know the subject that was talked about throughout the whole of Ju·de′a, starting from Gal′i·lee after the baptism that John preached, 38  namely, Jesus who was from Naz′a·reth, how God anointed him with holy spirit and power, and he went through the land doing good and healing all those oppressed by the Devil; because God was with him. 39  And we are witnesses of all the things he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem; but they also did away with him by hanging him on a stake. 40  God raised this One up on the third day and granted him to become manifest, 41  not to all the people, but to witnesses appointed beforehand by God, to us, who ate and drank with him after his rising from the dead. 42  Also, he ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness that this is the One decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead. 43  To him all the prophets bear witness, that everyone putting faith in him gets forgiveness of sins through his name"

He taught him about Jesus he taught him to recognize Jesus and who he was. Then Holy spirit came upon him. Then Peter said this

46 Then Peter responded: 47 "Can anyone forbid water so that these might not be baptized who have received the holy spirit even as we have?” 48 With that he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ"

So they recognized Jesus and therefore where baptized in recognition/the name of Jesus Christ

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,in (Acts 10) Cornelius, being an unbaptized one, but he's filled with the holy spirit by just believing JESUS not after baptizing??? unlike the Samaritans because they get baptized already then that's the time they received the Holy spirit??? I'm confused to this... Any corrections???>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Very simply some received holy spirit after being baptized and some before. This is the only reported case in the Bible of Holy Spirit being poured out before those where baptized. This was Jehovah's way of showing Peter they where approved for baptism. Remember this was a historic moment in history. It was the first baptism of the Gentiles. View it as a sign to Peter and you won't be far wrong.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<(Acts 4:12) also tells us that the name of Jesus is the only one by which we must be saved.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Acts 4:

12 " Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved"

I don't disagree with this scripture and I still don't believe in the trinity.

Let me ask you something. If God hadn't sent Jesus to GIVE his life for us could we be saved??

I say No. I don't see how you have to believe Jehovah is Jesus or in any sort of trinity ,to believe this scripture.

So I'm not really sure of your point here.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<And (Col. 3:17) tells us that everything we do, whether in word or action, should be done in Jesus' name.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Col 3:

17  "And whatever it is that YOU do in word or in work, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, thanking God the Father through him"

Again I don't understand what you're worried about here.

Jesus is our example to follow, right at the end it say's "thank God the Father through him" so again i'm not sure what you mean. Maybe you can explain it to me further.

Talk later

Take Care  

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The bible leaves signs of true christianity there are many. Jehovah's witnesses meet every single sign. One sign is the removal of false teachings that permeated the world soon after the apostles died. Jesus foretold this and he also foretold of the restoration of pure worship in the period known as the last days. The days we are currently living in. Jesus was a master of using illustrations he used an illustration to highlight this point Matt 13: "The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. 25While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. 26When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared. 27So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’ 28He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse" Why did he speak in illustrations? Matt 13:10So the disciples came and said to him: “Why do you speak to them by the use of illustrations?” 11In reply he said: “To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted" The kingdom of the heavens is full of sacred secrets that Jesus reveals only to his followers. This privilege is open to all who are really willing to submit to God and his Christ in action not just in words. These are the ones God is looking for. Are you really one?? If so I encourage you to let Jehovah's witnesses show you what the Bible really teaches.

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