Jehovah`s Witness/Fathomless



How do you understand this context as a JW

Deuteronomy 29:29 K J V

29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

I ask you because our pastor uses this context to support TRINITY since God is FATHOMLESS... He says that the BIBLE consists only of a very LIMITED information about God(himself) since we're only IMPERFECT HUMANS.

Any insight?

ANSWER: Hi Dave,

Sorry to say this but your "pastor" is either clueless, ignorant or just plain lazy. Hate to be one of his flocks as he will surely guaranty your destruction.

Why I say this?

Well think about it Dave. If "the BIBLE consists only of a very LIMITED information about God(himself)" then what's the point of these scriptures (just a few of thousands)?

“. . .This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” (John 17:3)

Or this one.

““And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.”” (Daniel 12:4)

It says "knowledge will become abundant" NOT LIMITED.

Or this one.

“. . .The heavens are declaring the glory of God; And of the work of his hands the expanse is telling.  2 One day after another day causes speech to bubble forth, And one night after another night shows forth knowledge.” (Psalm 19:1, 2)

Or these ones:

“2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God; but not according to accurate knowledge;” (Romans 10:2)

“Do not be lying to one another. Strip off the old personality with its practices, 10 and clothe yourselves with the new [personality], which through accurate knowledge is being made new according to the image of the One who created it,” (Colossians 3:9, 10)

It mentions accurate knowledge and accurate knowledge IS NOT limited knowledge.

Or this one.

“Acquire Wisdom, and with All That You Acquire, Acquire Understanding.”—Prov. 4:7.

Where we're encourage to Acquire Understanding.

So no, God's Word - the Bible contains so much knowledge that we all can benefit from.

However, if one believes in the Trinity Doctrine - like your pastor, then that explains why his knowledge about God is very limited. It's LIMITED because the Trinity Doctrine in NOT from God but rather a man made lie. It contradicts the refreshing Word of God, thus it's limited in its scope and clarity.

Those who believe this doctrine will become "dumb" and unreasonable. If I were you I will probe him further what he means by Fathomless.

If if says unknowable then I rest my case.

---------- FOLLOW-UP ----------

QUESTION: Thanks EddieG

Do you believe that God's LOVE is fathomless??

If YES, then how much more about on "KNOWING" him???

I mean, we can KNOW that God is a LOVING GOD but we can't measure his LOVE

Likewise, knowing him also is LIMITED since God is a FATHOMLESS God! IMMEASURABLE... that's why at Deut 29:29 implied that there are unrevealed things from GOD!

Looking forward

Hi Dave,

Back to what I said:

'Those who believe this doctrine will become "dumb" and unreasonable. If I were you I will probe him further what he means by Fathomless.'

Did you asked your pastor what he meant by "FATHOMLESS"?

If if says unknowable then I rest my case.


If "the BIBLE consists only of a very LIMITED information about God(himself)" then what's the point of these scriptures?

“. . .This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” (John 17:3)

Since our taking in knowledge or "information" of God is vital to our gaining everlasting life, how would we take in knowledge then if "the BIBLE consists only of a very LIMITED information about God(himself)"?

That's where I take issue with your pastor.

By saying that "the BIBLE consists only of a very LIMITED information about God(himself)", then he's making himself ignorant of the facts about God. In addition he's putting his flock's life in danger, because in truth, the Bible states:

“. . .All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:16, 17)

As to God's Love, sure it's unfathomable if you try to measure it but it's NOT unfathomable in this sense.

Just like a Father's/Mother's Love for their children is NOT UNFATHOMABLE - to the children, so does God's love towards us in not unfathomable or UNKNOWABLE to us.

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)

What's unfathomable or unknowable about the scripture above or the ones below?

“He that does not love has not come to know God, because God is love. 9 By this the love of God was made manifest in our case, because God sent forth his only-begotten Son into the world that we might gain life through him. 10 The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent forth his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins. 11 Beloved ones, if this is how God loved us, then we are ourselves under obligation to love one another. 12 At no time has anyone beheld God. If we continue loving one another, God remains in us and his love is made perfect in us. 13 By this we gain the knowledge that we are remaining in union with him and he in union with us, because he has imparted his spirit to us.” (1 John 4:8-13)

No, there's nothing unfathomable or as I stated - UNKNOWABLE - about God's Love for us. In fact our KNOWING his Love - by giving His only begotten son - make's us appreciate Him more fully and love Him more fully each passing day. We get to know how to truly love others because of his examples. By the demonstration of His great love we draw close to God.

“Draw close to God, and he will draw close to YOU. Cleanse YOUR hands, YOU sinners, and purify YOUR hearts, YOU indecisive ones.” (James 4:8)

By means of His son we come to know God's Love!

“No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his soul in behalf of his friends.” (John 15:13)

“All things have been delivered to me by my Father, and no one fully knows the Son but the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father but the Son and anyone to whom the Son is willing to reveal him.” (Matthew 11:27)

I hope this is clear and understandable enough to grasp.

But what REALLY is UNFATHOMABLE are his WISDOM, His Power and His ACTS. There's no WAY to measure these even it takes eternity for they reside in Him.

The scriptures testify to this.

“O the depth of God’s riches and wisdom and knowledge! How unsearchable his judgments [are] and past tracing out his ways [are]! 34 For “who has come to know Jehovah’s mind, or who has become his counselor?” 35 Or, “Who has first given to him, so that it must be repaid to him?”” (Romans 11:33-35)

“Who has taken the proportions of the spirit of Jehovah, and who as his man of counsel can make him know anything?” (Isaiah 40:13)

“To me, a man less than the least of all holy ones, this undeserved kindness was given, that I should declare to the nations the good news about the unfathomable riches of the Christ 9 and should make men see how the sacred secret is administered which has from the indefinite past been hidden in God, who created all things.” (Ephesians 3:8, 9)

“. . .And Jehovah proceeded to answer...:  2 “Who is this that is obscuring counsel By words without knowledge?  

3 Gird up your loins, please, like an able-bodied man, And let me question you, and you inform me.  
4 Where did you happen to be when I founded the earth? Tell [me], if you do know understanding.
5 Who set its measurements, in case you know, Or who stretched out upon it the measuring line?

 6 Into what have its socket pedestals been sunk down, Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?  

8 And [who] barricaded the sea with doors, Which began to go forth as when it burst out from the womb;  

9 When I put the cloud as its garment And thick gloom as its swaddling band,

10 And I proceeded to break up my regulation upon it And to set a bar and doors,

11 And I went on to say, ‘This far you may come, and no farther; And here your proud waves are limited’?

12 Was it from your days onward that you commanded the morning? Did you cause the dawn to know its place,

13 To take hold on the extremities of the earth, That the wicked ones might be shaken out from it?

14 It transforms itself like clay under a seal, And things take their station as in clothing. 15 And from the wicked ones their light is held back, And the high arm itself gets broken. 16 Have you come to the sources of the sea, Or in search of the watery deep have you walked about?
17 Have the gates of death been uncovered to you, Or the gates of deep shadow can you see? 18 Have you intelligently considered the broad spaces of the earth? Tell, if you have come to know it all.
19 Where, now, is the way to where light resides? As for darkness, where, now, is its place, 20 That you should take it to its boundary And that you should understand the roadways to its house?
21 Have you come to know because at that time you were being born, And [because] in number your days are many?
22 Have you entered into the storehouses of the snow, Or do you see even the storehouses of the hail,
23 Which I have kept back for the time of distress, For the day of fight and war?
24 Where, now, is the way by which the light distributes itself, [And] the east wind scatters about upon the earth?
25 Who has divided a channel for the flood And a way for the thunderous storm cloud,
26 To make it rain upon the land where there is no man, [Upon] the wilderness in which there is no earthling man,
27 To satisfy storm-stricken and desolate places And to cause the growth of grass to sprout? 28 Does there exist a father for the rain, Or who gave birth to the dewdrops?
29 Out of whose belly does the ice actually come forth, And as for the hoarfrost of heaven, who indeed brings it to birth?
30 The very waters keep themselves hidden as by stone, And the surface of the watery deep makes itself compact. 31 Can you tie fast the bonds of the Ki′mah constellation, Or can you loosen the very cords of the Ke′sil constellation?
32 Can you bring forth the Maz′za·roth constellation in its appointed time? And as for the Ash constellation alongside its sons, can you conduct them? 33 Have you come to know the statutes of the heavens, Or could you put its authority in the earth?
34 Can you raise your voice even to the cloud, So that a heaving mass of water itself may cover you?
35 Can you send forth lightnings that they may go And say to you, ‘Here we are!’? 36 Who put wisdom in the cloud layers, Or who gave understanding to the sky phenomenon? 37 Who can exactly number the clouds in wisdom, Or the water jars of heaven—who can tip [them] over, 38 When the dust pours out as into a molten mass, And the clods of earth themselves get stuck together?
39 Can you hunt prey for a lion itself And can you satisfy the lively appetite of young lions, 40 When they crouch in the hiding places, [Or] keep lying in the covert for an ambush?

41 Who prepares for the raven its food When its own young ones cry to God for help, [When] they keep wandering about because there is nothing to eat?” (Job 38:1-41)

“Look! These are the fringes of his ways, And what a whisper of a matter has been heard of him! But of his mighty thunder who can show an understanding?”” (Job 26:14)

So again, if fathomless means unknowable then I rest my case.  

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