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the one who knows all wrote at 2013-09-17 01:40:51
This is particularly for Jim



The difference is that JWs have NO religious symbols at all.  The torture stake or pole  is not venerated in any way shape or form  it is not looked to as a symbol of Christianity as the cross is.  So the statements by Jim are are unwarranted and inflammatory.



The watchtower is not a religious symbol it is a "corporate symbol" depicting the aim of the magazine to be like a watchman on a fortified watchtower looking for coming danger. The Watchtower magazine's purpose is to act as such a watchman keeping people aware of happening events in light of Bible prophecy as we draw closer to the great fear inspiring day Of God.


Derrick wrote at 2013-09-20 12:12:54
Dear friend, I think you need to change your screen name to "The one who misses the point", because this post of yours surely doesn't indicate that you "know all".  This is the first of your comments that I have actually had an issue with, incidentally.



I believe you completely missed the point about Jim's writing, so let me help you.  You stated...



"The difference is that JWs have NO religious symbols at all.  The torture stake or pole  is not venerated in any way shape or form  it is not looked to as a symbol of Christianity as the cross is.  So the statements by Jim are are unwarranted and inflammatory."



Again, you are guilty of at least implying that we born again Christians venerate the cross.  We do not.  It is a symbol of what our Savior did, yes, but that is it.  We do not venerate, pray to, worship, or believe it has any magical powers.  



Now, the reason Jim's point was valid, because he was responding basically to the false idea of Eddie, and other JWs, that because he cross had pagan sexual connotations, this somehow proves that Jesus wasn't crucified on one.  So by the same token, JWs are being inconsistent by believing that Jesus did die on a stake, even though the stake has the SAME connotations.  



Simply put...If the pagan use of the stake does not prove Jesus didn't die on one, then neither does the pagan use of the cross, prove that Jesus didn't die on a cross, either.



His post wasn't about what JWs "worship" or "venerate".  



But are you saying its perfectly FINE to have a "corporate symbol" that has pagan roots?  Why not just choose one that doesn't?  


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I was raised in the religion known as Jehovah`s Witnesses for 13 years. Since becoming a born-again Christian, I have researched extensively this religion, especially their doctrines and their history. I can answer questions about their doctrines from the perspective of Biblical Christianity. To be clear: Jehovahs Witnesses is the religion of my upbringing, though I myself was never baptized into the religion, nor have I ever been considered as a Jehovahs Witness.

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29 years of Biblical research into the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith, and how they differ from the teachings of the Watchtower.

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I would advise each questioner to this forum, to carefully READ the profiles of the various volunteers. There are several such as myself, who are not practicing JWs, but will provide you with an accurate and honest answer, regarding JW teaching. If we don't know the answer, we will try to research and get it for you. There are also some excellent practicing JWs here, who also endeavor to give you a factual and honest answer, based on their point of view. I believe by getting both points of view, the questioner can weigh the evidence for themselves, and make an informed decision. Unfortunately, there are also 3 here who claim to be JWs, but do NOT give honest, or well-researched answers. They will tell you only what they want you to believe, and they often hide facts about the history of their religion, as well as print untruths about other people's beliefs. This is done in an attempt to deceive the unsuspecting reader. It can be easily seen who these 3 are, simply by reading the public posts and "answers" which they write. Their posts will normally be filled with personal attacks, and if you question them about some teaching or aspect of the Watchtower that makes them uncomfortable, they will often reject your question, question your motives for asking it, tell you that you have been reading "apostate" sites, or turn the conversation into an attack on another expert. These ones are better avoided, as there is nothing to be gained by way of positive discussion, as they are not interested in intelligent conversation, or honest dialogue. If after reading the forum, you still have any questions as to who they are, just ask me, and I will be happy to tell you. And I can also provide documentation of their willful dishonesty. One thing is for certain...in a forum where people from both sides claim to be "Christians", there should never be any willful lying. Such ones only create a distraction in the forum, and provide nothing of any real value.

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High School, some college. Studies of God's Word, the Bible, and how it compares to JW theology. I have found my own personal study and experiences to be far more valuable than any formal education or training. The Bible message is clear...Salvation is ONLY through and by the shed blood of Jesus Christ, and no religious organization has a thing to do with it. While attendance at a Bible-preaching, Bible-believing church is a must for spiritual growth and fellowship, no church can grant salvation to its members. Nor is joining a particular group a prerequisite for being saved.

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