Jehovah`s Witness/Follow up


Hi Eddie,

Once again, there was no link at the bottom of your response for me to ask a f/u question, so I'm going this route.

On the firstborn of creation issue, you're not answering the f/u, you're just repeating your previous answer in different words. So enough said on that. I don't want find a new way to ask the same question so you can find a new way to give me the same old answer.

As for the next questions:

1. Why did God allow Christianity to go on for 19 centuries believing in a flawed/false Bible?
2. Why did God wait 19 centuries before raising up your church's "scholars" to get His Word right? Why didn't he raise up a scholar in the 3rd century? The 6th? The 8th? The 10th? The 13th? The 17th?
2a. Why did God wait until the 1960's, deep into what many Christians (including me) believe are the very end times, to correct His Word?
3. Where were the Jehovah Witnesses of the 1st century to correct the authors of the New Testament?

I don't accept your assertions.

2 Peter 3:9 -  9Jehovah* is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.

If Jehovah Witnesses were around since the 1st century, surely God would've raised up SOMEONE to correct the record so that hundreds of millions of people wouldn't "be destroyed". how could 2 Peter 3:9 be fulfilled if 19 centuries of people died believing in a flawed translation of His Word?

"“And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.” (Matthew 24:14)"

"“After they quit speaking, James answered, saying: “Men, brothers, hear me. 14 Sym′e·on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.” (Acts 15:13, 14)"

Are you trying to say here that God meant that this would not occur until 1900 years later, and not in totality starting in the 1st century and progressing through the present day?

I want to revisit the Stauros issue for a moment to bring up something I researched. First the scripture:

John 20:25 & 27 - 25Consequently the other disciples would say to him: “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them: “UNLESS I SEE IN HIS HANDS THE PRINT OF THE NAILS (Plural) and stick my finger INTO THE PRINT OF THE NAILS (Plural) and stick my hand into his side, I will certainly not believe.” 27  Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, AND SEE MY HANDS, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop being unbelieving but become believing.

Matt 27:37 - Also, they posted above his head the charge against him, in writing: “This is Jesus the King of the Jews.”

I've seen paintings from your Book of Knowledge of Jesus' crucifixion, and they all have ONE nail through Jesus' WRISTS, NOT His hands. Additionally, the sign is posted above his HANDS, not His head as in the depictions. So why did Thomas want to put his finger in Jesus' hands, when the nail print was in His wrists? And why did Jesus say "....AND SEE MY HANDS" if He was nailed through the wrists? And why the mistake of where the sign was posted? Now I know you could say technically the sign WAS above His head, but I wouldn't buy that.

Since you still haven't answered my questions on the "Jesus is not God" issue, I'm re-posting them here:

I want to list a few verses of scripture from the NWT for you to compare and reconcile:

Isa 7:14 - Therefore Jehovah himself will give ​YOU​ men a sign: Look! The maiden herself will actually become pregnant, and she is giving birth to a son, and she will certainly call his name Im‧man′u‧el.

Isa 9:6 - For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, ETERNAL FATHER, Prince of Peace

Compare with:

Mt 1:23 - Look! The virgin will become pregnant and will give birth to a son, and they will call his name Im‧man′u‧el,” which means, when translated, “WITH US IS GOD.” (not "A" god)

Ex 20:8-10 - “Remembering the sabbath day to hold it sacred,9you are to render service and you must do all your work six days.10But the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah your God. You must not do any work, you nor your son nor your daughter, your slave man nor your slave girl nor your domestic animal nor your alien resident who is inside your gates.

Compare with:

Mk 2:28 - hence the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath


Hos 13:4 - “But I am Jehovah your God from the land of Egypt, and there was no God except me that you used to know; AND THERE WAS NO SAVIOR BUT I."

Compare with:

Lk 2:11 - because there was born to ​YOU​ today a Savior, who is Christ [the] Lord, in David’s city.

Jn 4:42 - and they began to say to the woman: “We do not believe any longer on account of your talk; for we have heard for ourselves and we know that this man is for a certainty the savior of the world.”

Jn 20:27-29 - Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop being unbelieving but become believing.”28In answer Thomas said to him: “MY LORD AND MY GOD!"


Rom 8:9 ("God" and "Jesus" used interchangeably) - However, ​YOU​ are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in ​YOU. But if anyone does not have Christ’s spirit, this one does not belong to him.

Jn 10:20 - "I and the Father are one."

Mk 2:5-7 - And when Jesus saw their faith he said to the paralytic: “Child, your sins are forgiven.” Now there were some of the scribes there, sitting and reasoning in their hearts:7“Why is this man talking in this manner? He is blaspheming. Who can forgive sins except one, God?

Hi Ron,

I've answered your questions but you rejected them for no valid reason. So before I answer your follow up questions, please tell me:

1. When was the Parable of the Wheat and Weeds fulfilled when Jesus said - "The harvest is a conclusion of a system of things"?

2. Who are the wheat and the weeds?

3. Why?

“. . .“The kingdom of the heavens has become like a man that sowed fine seed in his field. 25 While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat, and left. 26 When the blade sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds appeared also. 27 So the slaves of the householder came up and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it come to have weeds?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ They said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29 He said, ‘No; that by no chance, while collecting the weeds, YOU uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest; and in the harvest season I will tell the reapers, First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up, then go to gathering the wheat into my storehouse.’”” (Matthew 13:24-30)

The meaning:

“. . .: “The sower of the fine seed is the Son of man; 38 the field is the world; as for the fine seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; but the weeds are the sons of the wicked one, 39 and the enemy that sowed them is the Devil. The harvest is a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels. 40 Therefore, just as the weeds are collected and burned with fire, so it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. 41 The Son of man will send forth his angels, and they will collect out from his kingdom all things that cause stumbling and persons who are doing lawlessness, 42 and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where [their] weeping and the gnashing of [their] teeth will be. 43 At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let him that has ears listen.” (Matthew 13:37-43)

BTW - best that you create a new post (with new title) so that this one will not get too long.
I can't create one for you since you're only a poster.  

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