Jehovah`s Witness/More JW Hypocrisy


Hey Derrick,

It's me again.  I noticed that none of the JW experts attempted to explain why they continue to use many items from pagan origins in their traditions while they scream "Pagan!" at the cross and other things.  Since hypocrisy cannot be explained away, let's just assume they agree.

I wonder how they feel about the pagan use of the torture stake?  A stake or pole has a greater sexual and hence pagan connotation than the cross.  In Christian times the phallus was represented by the pole shaped Obelisk of the Egyptians and Romans and the Hindu Lingam. Sacred poles are often mentioned in the Bible, such as at Exodus 34:13;

"But their altars YOU people are to pull down, and their sacred pillars YOU are to shatter, and their sacred poles YOU are to cut down."

Jesus death on a stake mimics the ancient Sumerian myth of Inanna. Inanna descended into the nether world. There she was turned into a corpse by the seven judges and "the corpse was hung from a stake" for three days and nights. After this she was resurrected by the instructions of Enki, the god of fertility.

If a symbol should be rejected on the grounds of pagan roots, consider the symbol of the Watchtower Society.  The Watchtower is a Masonic symbol used as a representation of Mary Magdalene, Magdalene derived from the ancient Greek word for Watchtower. Watchtower is also used in Witchcraft to represent the four elements, invoked during ritual to cast the magic circle. The Watchtowers originated in the sixteenth century Enochian magic system.

So, am I to believe that JW's are a bunch of sex-craved witches?  That would be dumb, but I bet it would make those pagan weddings a sight to behold.


Good afternoon, Jim.  You know, you keep bringing out some amazing points here.  In fact, the 2 about the Watchtower symbol being pagan, and the torture stake having its origins as a phallic symbol, were ones that I brought out to Eddie in our conversations on the cross.  He hasn't chosen to really offer a good response to that, yet.  

And as you correctly pointed out, even the belief in a "messiah" being put to death and rising again, was something held by pagans.  In no way, does it diminish from the truth of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.  

I like your question..."So, am I to believe that JW's are a bunch of sex-craved witches?" .  Of course, that is not something we would ever say, because it isn't true.  But they seem to have no problem spouting off, and CONTINUING to repeat, that "Christians worship the cross, and bow to it, and pray to it".  How are the supposed to convince people they have "the truth", when they are less honest than the ones they claim are liars?  

Anyway, thanks for your input.  It is very insightful, as always.

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Derrick Holland


I was raised in the religion known as Jehovah`s Witnesses for 13 years. Since becoming a born-again Christian, I have researched extensively this religion, especially their doctrines and their history. I can answer questions about their doctrines from the perspective of Biblical Christianity. To be clear: Jehovahs Witnesses is the religion of my upbringing, though I myself was never baptized into the religion, nor have I ever been considered as a Jehovahs Witness.


29 years of Biblical research into the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith, and how they differ from the teachings of the Watchtower.

I would advise each questioner to this forum, to carefully READ the profiles of the various volunteers. There are several such as myself, who are not practicing JWs, but will provide you with an accurate and honest answer, regarding JW teaching. If we don't know the answer, we will try to research and get it for you. There are also some excellent practicing JWs here, who also endeavor to give you a factual and honest answer, based on their point of view. I believe by getting both points of view, the questioner can weigh the evidence for themselves, and make an informed decision. Unfortunately, there are also 3 here who claim to be JWs, but do NOT give honest, or well-researched answers. They will tell you only what they want you to believe, and they often hide facts about the history of their religion, as well as print untruths about other people's beliefs. This is done in an attempt to deceive the unsuspecting reader. It can be easily seen who these 3 are, simply by reading the public posts and "answers" which they write. Their posts will normally be filled with personal attacks, and if you question them about some teaching or aspect of the Watchtower that makes them uncomfortable, they will often reject your question, question your motives for asking it, tell you that you have been reading "apostate" sites, or turn the conversation into an attack on another expert. These ones are better avoided, as there is nothing to be gained by way of positive discussion, as they are not interested in intelligent conversation, or honest dialogue. If after reading the forum, you still have any questions as to who they are, just ask me, and I will be happy to tell you. And I can also provide documentation of their willful dishonesty. One thing is for a forum where people from both sides claim to be "Christians", there should never be any willful lying. Such ones only create a distraction in the forum, and provide nothing of any real value.

High School, some college. Studies of God's Word, the Bible, and how it compares to JW theology. I have found my own personal study and experiences to be far more valuable than any formal education or training. The Bible message is clear...Salvation is ONLY through and by the shed blood of Jesus Christ, and no religious organization has a thing to do with it. While attendance at a Bible-preaching, Bible-believing church is a must for spiritual growth and fellowship, no church can grant salvation to its members. Nor is joining a particular group a prerequisite for being saved.

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