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DW I was hoping you could comment for the readers on Derrick's comment about why he considers witnesses brainwashed this is what he said

"He said….“The reason is BECAUSE WE HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION TO THEM!!!!

Get that, that is a fact and it's that simple. We don't agree with them so we're brainwashed, go figure!!”

Actually, that isn’t the reason at all.  We say they’re brainwashed, because you can show them a Scripture right from the Word of God, put it right under their nose, and they will still defend their man-made doctrine anyway.  

No, we don’t think they’re brainwashed because they disagree with us.  But when a man makes a comment like…“now here's the truth every Bible teaching by the faithful slave is the correct one until the time they tell you otherwise" , then yes, that is a big reason why we know him to be brainwashed.  Do THINKING people actually believe an Organization can overthrow a Bible teaching, and tell you it is no longer correct?"

Can you comment on this. I think it would be good for the readers if you did

Thanks

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Hi Thanks for writing

Yeah I have no problem commenting on this thanks for bringing this particular comment to my attention.

Firstly what we see here two classic examples of the apostates strategy firstly they make sweeping statements like this <<<<<<<We say they’re brainwashed, because you can show them a Scripture right from the Word of God, put it right under their nose, and they will still defend their man-made doctrine anyway>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Secondly they argue from an imagined position or in debate circles it's known as a "straw man" argument, they put you in a position that you're not even in and then attack you from that position

Here's an example

First person says "I want to take my family to Africa for vacation"

Second person replies "I have no idea why you want your children to catch malaria"

It's a ridiculous comment. Of course you don't want your children to catch malaria you want to take them on a vacation to Africa, it's two totally separate things

This is what Derrick does here <<<<<Do THINKING people actually believe an Organization can overthrow a Bible teaching, and tell you it is no longer correct?>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No Derrick thinking people wouldn't think that, nor do Jehovah's witnesses that is not what my statement means!!!

On the other hand do thinking people really believe that "firstborn OF all creation, means eternal?? Or that a God love would torture anybody??

So we have two classic examples of apostate tactics right here, let's tackle them one at a time

Now to be honest this comment made me laugh <<<<<<<<<We say they’re brainwashed, because you can show them a Scripture right from the Word of God, put it right under their nose, and they will still defend their man-made doctrine anyway>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I have never in all my time speaking to a member of Christendom seen a scripture they've shown me right from the word of God that isn't man made, here's some example's

We say "Man became a living soul" (Gen 2:7)

They say "No, man was given a soul"

We say "Dead have only fallen asleep in death" (Luke 8:52)

They say "No, the dead are still alive, somewhere"

We say "Jesus father is the only true God" (John 17:3)

They say "No, there are two others"

We say "Jesus is the firstborn of all creation" (Col 1:15)

They say "No, Jesus is eternal"

We say "You must love your brothers" (John 13:35)

They say "No, we can kill our brothers in war"

We say "You must stay out of politics" (John 17:16)

They say "No, we can vote for worldly governments"

That's just a few examples of many!!!

Now here's the real interesting thing. This is their example of showing something directly from the word of God. Take Derrick's favourite argument as an example.

Derrick : "Jesus said he would raise the temple of his body, this means his literal body"

Me: "Well Derrick it could mean that. However on the other hand it could also mean a spiritual temple of his body, let's go elsewhere in the scriptures to see the answer to which one it is"

Derrick: "No this scripture is clear"

Me: "Derrick seriously it isn't clear it's one scripture that could mean either , we need to go elsewhere and find out"

Derrick: "No we don't"

Me "O.K Derrick whatever you say. I'm gonna go elsewhere anyway you do what you like"

Derrick: "Your brainwashed I've shown you clearly from scripture!!

So this is just one example of how Christendom argue.

On to point two

This is what I said <<<<<<<<<<<<“now here's the truth every Bible teaching by the faithful slave is the correct one until the time they tell you otherwise">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

However I did not mean this!!!

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< an Organization can overthrow a Bible teaching, and tell you it is no longer correct?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Derrick misleads people he say's "I've studied Jehovah's witnesses extensively". If that is indeed true he should know this.

We believe Jehovah has chosen an organization in these last day's just as he did in the first century to dispense spiritual truth's. We also believe Jehovah reveals the truth progressively through this organization. We also believe unity and truth are equally important. We also believe we have those who take the lead in dispensing these spiritual truths. We base our beliefs on scriptures, such as this.

John 16:

12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. 13 However, when that one* comes, the spirit of the truth,+ he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come"

Dan 12:

4 "4 “As for you, Daniel, keep the words secret, and seal up the book until the time of the end.+ Many will rove about,* and the true knowledge will become abundant"

Acts 2:

"42 And they continued devoting themselves to the teaching of the apostles"

Acts 15:

27 "We are therefore sending Judas and Silas, so that they also may report the same things by word of mouth.+ 28 For the holy spirit+ and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things"

Zech 8:

"In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations+ will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe* of a Jew,* saying: “We want to go with you,+ for we have heard that God is with you people"

Mic 2:

12 "I will certainly gather all of you, O Jacob;

I will surely collect the remaining ones of Israel together.+

In unity I will place them, like sheep in the pen,

Like a flock in its pasture;+

It will be noisy with people"

John 17:

17 "Sanctify them* by means of the truth;+ your word is truth.+ 18 Just as you sent me into the world, I also sent them into the world.+ 19 And I am sanctifying myself in their behalf, so that they also may be sanctified by means of truth.

20 “I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, 21 so that they may all be one,+ just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you,+ that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me"

1 cor 1:

10 "Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you,+ but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought"

There's many, many more than this. But these are just a few that we base our belief on.

Hardly brainwashed, really!!!!

Here's the alternative Christendom's way of doing things. Firstly as I previously showed above they ignore simple scripture.

Secondly they believe that the holy spirit/ghost dwells within them and has revealed the truth to each one of them. Yet they all argue about what the Bible really teaches and what the truth really is!! Really Christendom, I mean Really!! and you call us brainwashed!!!

Here's my final point . Maybe Derrick can answer this. Is he looking forward to watching his Jehovah's witness family being tortured in hell forever . YES or NO and why/why not??

If he answers that I'll be shocked. He'll just attack the messenger like usual and go into some long drawn out tirade pretending to answer it.

Follow up if you need

Take Care  

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I have many years of experience serving Jehovah . I have known Jehovah a long time and I have known his organization . I have been privileged to see great progress not only in my own personal relationship with my God and Father but within his organization. I am an avid reader of the bible and have been gifted by my Father with the indescribable privilege of being allowed to understand his own word.

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The truth is all about scripture and logic. The two go hand in hand . There is not one bible verse that cannot be understood within the realms of human reasoning. Not one!! Why would it?? The bible is God's message to his creation . His creation who he made to understand things in a specific way. God is not stupid or unwise as to leave as a message then allow us to guess what it means or who he is. 1 Tim 2:3This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth" Notice the expression "accurate knowledge".

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The bible leaves signs of true christianity there are many. Jehovah's witnesses meet every single sign. One sign is the removal of false teachings that permeated the world soon after the apostles died. Jesus foretold this and he also foretold of the restoration of pure worship in the period known as the last days. The days we are currently living in. Jesus was a master of using illustrations he used an illustration to highlight this point Matt 13: "The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. 25While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. 26When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared. 27So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’ 28He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse" Why did he speak in illustrations? Matt 13:10So the disciples came and said to him: “Why do you speak to them by the use of illustrations?” 11In reply he said: “To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted" The kingdom of the heavens is full of sacred secrets that Jesus reveals only to his followers. This privilege is open to all who are really willing to submit to God and his Christ in action not just in words. These are the ones God is looking for. Are you really one?? If so I encourage you to let Jehovah's witnesses show you what the Bible really teaches.

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False religion is disgusting to God and to his true worshippers it is likened in the Bible to a harlot Rev 17:"I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication" Whereas the bride of Christ is likened to a virgin Rev 14: 4"These are the ones who did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins" These are both used as spiritual terms here and show the importance of pure and clean worship for God's people.

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