Jehovah`s Witness/re. brainwashed
DW I was hoping you could comment for the readers on Derrick's comment about why he considers witnesses brainwashed this is what he said
"He said….“The reason is BECAUSE WE HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION TO THEM!!!!
Get that, that is a fact and it's that simple. We don't agree with them so we're brainwashed, go figure!!”
Actually, that isn’t the reason at all. We say they’re brainwashed, because you can show them a Scripture right from the Word of God, put it right under their nose, and they will still defend their man-made doctrine anyway.
No, we don’t think they’re brainwashed because they disagree with us. But when a man makes a comment like…“now here's the truth every Bible teaching by the faithful slave is the correct one until the time they tell you otherwise" , then yes, that is a big reason why we know him to be brainwashed. Do THINKING people actually believe an Organization can overthrow a Bible teaching, and tell you it is no longer correct?"
Can you comment on this. I think it would be good for the readers if you did
Hi Thanks for writing
Yeah I have no problem commenting on this thanks for bringing this particular comment to my attention.
Firstly what we see here two classic examples of the apostates strategy firstly they make sweeping statements like this <<<<<<<We say they’re brainwashed, because you can show them a Scripture right from the Word of God, put it right under their nose, and they will still defend their man-made doctrine anyway>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Secondly they argue from an imagined position or in debate circles it's known as a "straw man" argument, they put you in a position that you're not even in and then attack you from that position
Here's an example
First person says "I want to take my family to Africa for vacation"
Second person replies "I have no idea why you want your children to catch malaria"
It's a ridiculous comment. Of course you don't want your children to catch malaria you want to take them on a vacation to Africa, it's two totally separate things
This is what Derrick does here <<<<<Do THINKING people actually believe an Organization can overthrow a Bible teaching, and tell you it is no longer correct?>>>>>>>>>>>>>
No Derrick thinking people wouldn't think that, nor do Jehovah's witnesses that is not what my statement means!!!
On the other hand do thinking people really believe that "firstborn OF all creation, means eternal?? Or that a God love would torture anybody??
So we have two classic examples of apostate tactics right here, let's tackle them one at a time
Now to be honest this comment made me laugh <<<<<<<<<We say they’re brainwashed, because you can show them a Scripture right from the Word of God, put it right under their nose, and they will still defend their man-made doctrine anyway>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I have never in all my time speaking to a member of Christendom seen a scripture they've shown me right from the word of God that isn't man made, here's some example's
We say "Man became a living soul" (Gen 2:7)
They say "No, man was given a soul"
We say "Dead have only fallen asleep in death" (Luke 8:52)
They say "No, the dead are still alive, somewhere"
We say "Jesus father is the only true God" (John 17:3)
They say "No, there are two others"
We say "Jesus is the firstborn of all creation" (Col 1:15)
They say "No, Jesus is eternal"
We say "You must love your brothers" (John 13:35)
They say "No, we can kill our brothers in war"
We say "You must stay out of politics" (John 17:16)
They say "No, we can vote for worldly governments"
That's just a few examples of many!!!
Now here's the real interesting thing. This is their example of showing something directly from the word of God. Take Derrick's favourite argument as an example.
Derrick : "Jesus said he would raise the temple of his body, this means his literal body"
Me: "Well Derrick it could mean that. However on the other hand it could also mean a spiritual temple of his body, let's go elsewhere in the scriptures to see the answer to which one it is"
Derrick: "No this scripture is clear"
Me: "Derrick seriously it isn't clear it's one scripture that could mean either , we need to go elsewhere and find out"
Derrick: "No we don't"
Me "O.K Derrick whatever you say. I'm gonna go elsewhere anyway you do what you like"
Derrick: "Your brainwashed I've shown you clearly from scripture!!
So this is just one example of how Christendom argue.
On to point two
This is what I said <<<<<<<<<<<<“now here's the truth every Bible teaching by the faithful slave is the correct one until the time they tell you otherwise">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
However I did not mean this!!!
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< an Organization can overthrow a Bible teaching, and tell you it is no longer correct?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Derrick misleads people he say's "I've studied Jehovah's witnesses extensively". If that is indeed true he should know this.
We believe Jehovah has chosen an organization in these last day's just as he did in the first century to dispense spiritual truth's. We also believe Jehovah reveals the truth progressively through this organization. We also believe unity and truth are equally important. We also believe we have those who take the lead in dispensing these spiritual truths. We base our beliefs on scriptures, such as this.
12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. 13 However, when that one* comes, the spirit of the truth,+ he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come"
4 "4 “As for you, Daniel, keep the words secret, and seal up the book until the time of the end.+ Many will rove about,* and the true knowledge will become abundant"
"42 And they continued devoting themselves to the teaching of the apostles"
27 "We are therefore sending Judas and Silas, so that they also may report the same things by word of mouth.+ 28 For the holy spirit+ and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things"
"In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations+ will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe* of a Jew,* saying: “We want to go with you,+ for we have heard that God is with you people"
12 "I will certainly gather all of you, O Jacob;
I will surely collect the remaining ones of Israel together.+
In unity I will place them, like sheep in the pen,
Like a flock in its pasture;+
It will be noisy with people"
17 "Sanctify them* by means of the truth;+ your word is truth.+ 18 Just as you sent me into the world, I also sent them into the world.+ 19 And I am sanctifying myself in their behalf, so that they also may be sanctified by means of truth.
20 “I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, 21 so that they may all be one,+ just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you,+ that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me"
1 cor 1:
10 "Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you,+ but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought"
There's many, many more than this. But these are just a few that we base our belief on.
Hardly brainwashed, really!!!!
Here's the alternative Christendom's way of doing things. Firstly as I previously showed above they ignore simple scripture.
Secondly they believe that the holy spirit/ghost dwells within them and has revealed the truth to each one of them. Yet they all argue about what the Bible really teaches and what the truth really is!! Really Christendom, I mean Really!! and you call us brainwashed!!!
Here's my final point . Maybe Derrick can answer this. Is he looking forward to watching his Jehovah's witness family being tortured in hell forever . YES or NO and why/why not??
If he answers that I'll be shocked. He'll just attack the messenger like usual and go into some long drawn out tirade pretending to answer it.
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