Jehovah`s Witness/Is it pure ignorance or just plain lying?
Like I said, to finish the post that I sent to Brother Rando, this post will show you once and for all that Mr. DHolland is indeed devoid of true spiritual understanding. And that he is really intentionally lying to you about Jehovah's Witnesses. For 14 years he's been at and still at it. Why he won't give it up, beats me but it seems like an obsession to prove that he's right and that we're wrong. Sadly. it will just continue to backfire on him and in the end will lose his chance to gain Jehovah God's favor.
Hence, “. . .To keep kicking against the goads makes it hard for you. . .” Mr. Holland -- (Acts 26:14)
So what proof do I have besides what I already showed here: http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jehovah-s-Witness-1617/2014/10/dholland-lying-plain-i
)??? Lot's more:
Consider again his statements quoted below. He said..:
>>...He (Jesus Christ) is not Mediator for merely 144,000 select individuals, but He is Mediator for ALl men. God wants ALL men to be saved...not just some. 1 Tim. 2:4-6- "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
... implying (again) that we, Jehovah's Witnesses believe and teach that ONLY a few "the select" are saved, the 144,000 anointed ones are saved while the vast majority of mankind are not.
But we know this already not to be true and baseless. Much more, misleading for the simple fact that there's about 8 million Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide now. Around eight million Jehovah's Witnesses busily inviting people from all walks of life to get “. . .saved from this crooked generation. . .” (Acts 2:40). SO, to say something like that is in all honesty a lie. It's sad but true. No other reason but that he's simply lying about us. But what makes it worse though, is the way he twisted the Word of God. And for what? Just to prop up his false claim? I hope not because it's a serious matter what's he's doing.
In any case, notice how he did it. Comparing the apostle Paul's words with Mr. Holland's statement:
Paul said: "one mediator between God and men"
(1 Tim 2:5)
While Mr. Holland said: >>" He is Mediator for ALl men"
See the difference?
In other words, he (DH) not only INSERTED the word "ALl" (ALL
) in "...and men" but changed Paul's statement into: >>"He is Mediator for ALl men"
Hence, he (DH) made it appear as though Paul was talking about "All men", meaning MANKIND instead of just "men". And by doing it this way, he basically changed the meaning of what the apostle Paul was actually saying. Which is this - Paul was referring to "men", a SPECIFIC group of people where Jesus Christ IS the "one mediator between God and men". Not as incorrectly claimed, "Mediator for ALL men" - because when there's a "mediator between God and men"
there's a COVENANT, an agreement (a New Covenant) to mediate with or agreed upon.
And this is EXACTLY the case. The Lord Jesus Christ himself confirmed it when he said:
""However, you are the ones who have stuck with me in my trials; 29 and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, 30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel."
"...That is why he (Jesus Christ) is a mediator of a new covenant..."
(Hebrews 9:15) the "one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"
. 1 Tim. 2:5
So it's clear, both Jesus and Paul were referring to a mediated new covenant "between God and men". That is, an agreement "between God and men" "for a Kingdom". A covenant where these "men" will become "... priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years..."
On the other hand, the "all men"
that Paul mentioned in 1 Tim. 2:4 refers to the SALVATION of "ALL men", that is, you and I - the salvation of all mankind in general.
As the Scripture said:
Jesus Christ "Who gave himself a ransom for all , to be testified in due time."
“. . .For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.”
Conclusively then, there are two subject matters being discussed by Paul when he said what he said in 1 Tim. 2:4-6>
1. The Salvation of ALL men through the ransom sacrifice that Jesus Christ gave
... (1 Tim 2:4 and 6)
2. That Jesus is the mediator of a "New Covenant" between "God and men" (the apostles and the rest of the holy ones - anointed ones) to be Priest and Kings with Jesus Christ in God's Kingdom.
(1 Tim 2:4, Heb 9:15, Rev 20:6)
So to say...
>>" That's pretty clear.....Jesus is Mediator for more than just a select few "anointed" JWs who think they, and only they, are part of the New Covenant. He wants ALL men to be saved, He is the Mediator for ALL men, and He gave Himself a ransom for ALL....<<
...is pure ignorance of what the Bible really teach. Worst, it's a MISAPPLICATION if not a twisting of the scriptures in order to changed its meaning. It's done to put us, Jehovah's Witnesses in a bad light. It's done to accuse us of lying, while in reality he IS the one who is maliciously lying AND confused.
Now, why this person who pretends to be a "JW Expert" here is spouting such nonsense? Why he keeps doing it in-spite of the facts against him? I guess only him and God knows.
As for these statements, that we, Jehovah's Witnesses somehow...
>>... place our hope of salvation in our participation with a certain religion, or our adherence to its dictates, is spiritual suicide. It is an insult to our Savior, Who took our place on the cross, and shed His blood for our sins...<<
>>"... have blindly trusted in this Organization and actually believe that being a part of it is somehow necessary for their salvation...<<?
Really? "blindly trusted" "adherence...spiritual suicide"? Are you this gullible to even believe these?
I hope not, because really, it's an insult to all who knows the truth. "It is an insult to our Savior"! And as I said already, it's a willful misleading statement with the intent to make us -Jehovah's Witnesses- look bad. To make us appear "brain dead" unthinking, mind numb robots.
A willful hiding of the truth since (as previously stated) he has in his possession, many if not all of our publications.
He's fully aware that ALL of Jehovah's Witnesses PRIMARILY
place "our hope of salvation" in the RANSOM sacrifice that Jesus Christ gave. He is well aware that we place "our hope of salvation" on Jesus' shed blood. That in Jesus Christ name we pray to God for forgiveness of our sins. That in Jesus Christ's name we ask God for his holy spirit to guide us each day of our lives. That in Jesus Christ's name we thank Jehovah God for all his blessings. That in Jesus Christ's name we all pray to God to be victorious against all wickedness. That in Jesus Christ's name we call on our Father's name Jehovah for our salvation.
Just as the Scripture said:
For "everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved."
“. . .This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.”
“. . .Jesus said...: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. . .”
So again, there's no truth to the claim. Just lies.
As for the necessity of belonging to an Organization, OF COURSE it's NECESSARY - especially ESPECIALLY when it's God's True Organization - under Christ Jesus!!!
It's like sitting on a Battle Ship with Jehovah God as the Captain and his son Jesus Christ as the 1st officer supported by vast army of angels!!!!
Now what enemy can get through that? Which one of Satan's organization can do battle with God's Organization? NONE, ZIP, ZERO, NADA!!!
Hence belonging to God's Organization is necessary but not primary for gaining salvation.
But by being in God's Organization we can with confidence fulfill our MISSION to PREACH:
"...this good news of the Kingdom ...in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."
By being ORGANIZED under Jesus Christ's leadership, we can...
"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.""
(Matthew 28:19, 20)
"Happy is the nation whose God is Jehovah, The people he has chosen as his own possession."
With God's Organization, just like Paul in the first century Christian Organization, congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses today are and will be able to say:
"... I am clean from the blood of all men, 27 for I have not held back from telling you all the counsel of God."
(Acts 20:26, 27)
But people in Christendom who claim to be Christians? They are not able to say the above as they themselves are guilty of shedding man's blood and miserably failed to tell the "counsel of God", the "good news of God's Kingdom".
SO thanks be to Jehovah God the Almighty, today, He has an Organization from which people can come to Know and Worship Him and learn about His son Jesus Christ accurately!
Thanks be to God's Organization, we're fully exposing the lies of Christendom and its false teachers, like the one here who pretends to be a JW Expert.
In conclusion, my case against this impostor is done. He is indeed, ignorant of what we REALLY teach, what the Bible REALLY teach and most all maliciously lied about us - what we believe and teach.
Now whether, he did this knowingly or unknowingly, only him and God knows. In either case, humility and repentance is needed for what he did - for lying about us and for misleading people about us.
For those who want to know the truth about what we believe and teach, go to our website
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More on Salvation?
Here's an article from the 1960 Watchtower:
*** w60 3/1 p. 135 What Is God’s Way to Salvation? ***
PRINCIPAL REQUIREMENTS FOR SALVATION
For a person to gain salvation God requires that he exercise faith in Him and Christ Jesus. A person cannot expect God’s favor when he refuses to exercise faith in the Father as a Savior and in the One whom the Father sent to make salvation possible. It is written: “For ‘anyone that calls upon the name of Jehovah will be saved.’” (Rom. 10:13) This has to be done by faith, not only in Jehovah and his Son, but also in the truthfulness of his Word. “Moreover, without faith it is impossible to win his good pleasure, for he that approaches God must believe that he is and that he becomes the rewarder of those earnestly seeking him.”—Heb. 11:6.
For the select few that have been chosen to rule with Christ in the heavens salvation comes by resurrection from the condition of death. But for the great multitude of people of all kinds that anticipate eternal life on earth salvation will come during Christ’s thousand-year reign. Christ will at that time apply toward them the benefits of his ransom sacrifice, that they may be released from Adamic sin, made free from death and lifted to human perfection in an earthly paradise. This is the certain result of following God’s way to salvation." -- end quote.
Here's another from a 2013 Watchtower article:
*** w97 8/15 pp. 5-6 Salvation—What It Really Means ***
Accurate Knowledge of Jesus Vital to Salvation
These words of Jesus have sobering implications. They indicate that many devout people are failing to ‘do the will of the Father.’ How, then, can one gain true salvation? First Timothy 2:3, 4 answers: “[God’s] will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.”—Compare Colossians 1:9, 10.
There's more here:
Here's one asked by a reader:
Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Believe That They Are the Only Ones Who Will Be Saved?
As to why we need to be organized in our Worship to God, read this article: