Jehovah`s Witness/Apostates turning on each other.
What a fascinating admission by Richard. Richard's response to Derrick Holland's Satanic Propaganda not only humiliated him, but exposes DH as an outright liar on the JW Forum.
Richard publicly corrects DH by admitting, "The Second Advent focus began adding in the belief that Jesus was coming in 1874." http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jehovah-s-Witness-1617/2014/11/jw-splinter-groups.htm
This exposes Holland that the Watchtower taught that Jesus was coming in "1874". I bet Holland is look for a rock to crawl under. I wonder why these JW Critics never knew Jehovah's Witness were name in 1931!!
What do you say?
Yes indeed! It's quite fascinating how these two (Richard and DH) don't realized that they are contradicting each other. We see it, but sadly they don't see it. In fact the truth is, they will never be united like we are because they don't have this:
We have "one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." (Ephesians 4:5, 6)
Instead they have what? A confusing Trinity godhead doctrine where one says all three are equal while the other says not. Of course they will deny this by implying that they are equal in "nature" not in power. If so, why then call the "God the Son" the Almighty if he's not equal in power with the "God the father"? And what about the so called "God the Holy Ghost"? Is it also the Almighty? Or is it lesser than the "God the Father and God the Son"? So many more questions left unanswered.
But in regards to the "1874" debacle. I'm glad that you saw it too. I was actually chuckling hard when I read what Richard said. As you've quoted he said:
"The Second Advent focus began adding in the belief that Jesus was coming in 1874."
Why I'm chuckling almost to point hurting my tummy?
Because of what Derrick Holland was accusing our dear Brother of - lying. He even sent me a question asking the following:
>"So, does this mean that you do NOT care that Rando lies, and that you will continue to support him, when he:
1. Lies to the public about 1874"<<
His accusation against Brother Rando?
Here are just some:
DH: You should apologize to the readers, and retract your statement. The Watchtower DID teach that Jesus "came invisibly" in 1874. You looked sort of silly, trying to deny that."
DH: So, I doubt an apology is forthcoming. I mean, he lied to this board about 1874, without batting an eye.
DH: Is it the fact that I caught your friend Rando lying to the board about your religion's false teaching, about Christ "returning" in 1874? Is that what is bugging you?
DH: I believe I was quite successful in documenting that your pal Rando, lied to the public about 1874. How do I know I was successful? Simple....He has said NOTHING else about 1874, but instead, has begun to attack my character with a vengeance.
DH: Okay Rando, another lie, and another failed attempt. Now, back to 1874.…
Do you still maintain that the Watchtower never taught that Jesus had “come” in 1874, or do you now wish to just apologize to the readers for your ignorance? We shall be looking for your post tomorrow.
DH: And it was the same thing with the 1874 "fiasco", as Rando calls it. Rando showed extreme dishonesty and ignorance, when he came on here and denied that they ever taught this.
DH: But as you pointed out, not everyone comes here for an answer from a JW, from their biased perspective. If they did, nobody would learn that they really did claim that Jesus had "come" in 1874.
I know it's nuts. He's like a stalker stalking Brother Rando.
But what did Bro. Rando do that got Derrick Holland's pants on fire?
Here's what he said:
BRando: ""The Watchtower" has never claimed that the end of the world would come in "1874".
The Watchtower didn't exist until "1881". However, this Apostate exclaims we taught the second coming in "1874"?
BRando: Don't believe the Apostate that claims the Watchtower taught Christ would Return in "1874", when the Watchtower never existed until "1881" . This type of individual slithers to and fro looking to swallow you whole. Before Armageddon can take place, the man of wickedness must first be revealed which makes up the composite Body of The Antichrist. That revealing is now coming to it's conclusion without the "wicked ones" knowing it. Want to see the Three Parts of their Trinity?? READ (Rev 16:13-14) After reading that, try (Isaiah 14:12-14)
Which totally different from what he is being accused of.
So NOW, who is 'the liar liar pants on fire'?
Yup, you got it, the liar is Derrick Holland as he is contradicted once again by his buddy Richard when he said:
"The Second Advent focus began adding in the belief that Jesus was coming in 1874."
In fact noticed what our publication said about this very topic 1874:
"*** w55 1/1 p. 6 Part 1—Early Voices (1870-1878) ***
Amid these rumblings of industrial, commercial, social and religious changes early voices of small religious groups were heard in their efforts to read the signs of the times and predict the imminent second coming of Jesus, Jehovah’s Christ. Various adventist groups were busy in the United States and Europe, proclaiming a visible return of Christ for 1873 or 1874, even though the American founder of their movement, William Miller, had acknowledged his error and disappointment as to the former set dates of 1843 and 1844
. Earlier, the German Lutheran theologian Bengel (1687-1751) had fixed upon 1836 as the marked date for the beginning of the millennium of Revelation 20:6. In Scotland and England others, commonly known as “Irvingites,” raised their voices to announce 1835, 1838, 1864 and finally 1866 for Christ’s return. Christian writers such as Elliott and Cumming looked for the end in 1866, Brewer and Decker predicted 1867 and Seiss favored 1870. In Russia, Claas Epp, a leader of the Mennonite Brethren (Bruedergemeinde), and his associate fixed upon the date of 1889 for a great cosmic happening. But all these widely proclaimed predictions came to complete disappointment because they were not based on accurate Biblical knowledge of Jehovah’s prophecies. Christ’s return was destined to be, not a physical manifestation as they had assumed, but rather, as the Scriptures now clearly indicate, an invisible presence of glory and power to provoke the greatest crisis ever experienced by man on earth.
Still other voices were heard, but these began to proclaim an impending invisible return of the Messiah. One of these groups was led by George Storrs of Brooklyn, New York. He and his associates after 1870 published a magazine entitled The Bible Examiner, setting forth their views that Christ’s return would be an invisible one. Another group headed by H. B. Rice of Oakland, California, published a magazine called The Last Trump, heralding an invisible return as occurring in the 1870’s. A third group comes to our attention, this time of disappointed Second Adventists who forsook that movement because of the failure of the Lord to return in 1873 as the Adventists had further predicted. This group was led by N. H. Barbour. They radiated their activities from Rochester, New York, performing a preaching service by sending out speakers to whatever churches would open their doors to them. They also published a monthly, The Herald of the Morning. One of this group came into possession of B. Wilson’s Diaglott translation of the “New Testament," noticing in it that, at Matthew 24:27, 37, 39, the word the King James Version rendered coming is translated presence. This was the clue that led this group to advocate an invisible presence of Christ, claiming it began in the fall of 1874."
*** w55 1/1 p. 7 Part 1—Early Voices (1870-1878) ***
Shortly after this Russell and about five others began to meet together regularly from 1870 to 1875 to make a systematic study of the Bible. Note the following description of the change-over of thinking that was the fruitage of these five years of joint Bible study.
“[We] soon began to see that we were living somewhere near the close of the Gospel age, and near the time when the Lord had declared that the wise, watching ones of his children should come to a clear knowledge of his plan. . . . We came to see something of the love of God, how it had made provision for all mankind, how all must be awakened from the tomb in order that God’s loving plan might be testified to them, and how all who exercise faith in Christ’s redemptive work and render obedience in harmony with the knowledge of God’s will they will then receive, might then (through Christ’s merit) be brought back into full harmony with God, and be granted everlasting life.... We came to recognize the difference between our Lord as ‘the man who gave himself,’ and as the Lord who would come again, a spirit being. We saw that spirit-beings can be present, and yet invisible to men....We felt greatly grieved at the error of Second Adventists who were expecting Christ in the flesh, and teaching that the world and all in it except Second Adventists would be burned up in 1873 or 1874,
whose time-settings and disappointments and crude ideas generally of the object and manner of his coming brought more or less reproach upon us and upon all who longed for and proclaimed his coming Kingdom. These wrong views so generally held of both the object and manner of the Lord’s return led me to write a pamphlet—The Object and Manner of Our Lord’s Return, of which some 50,000 copies were published."
Again, it said:
Various adventist groups were busy in the United States and Europe, proclaiming a visible return of Christ for 1873 or 1874, even though the American founder of their movement, William Miller, had acknowledged his error and disappointment as to the former set dates of 1843 and 1844
We felt greatly grieved at the error of Second Adventists who were expecting Christ in the flesh, and teaching that the world and all in it except Second Adventists would be burned up in 1873 or 1874,
So who is owed an apology here?
Brother Rando deserves an apology from Mr. Derrick Holland - BIG TIME!!!
Side note to further clarify this statement and to prevent Mr. Holland from twisting it also:
BR: "The Watchtower didn't exist until "1881".
*** w50 7/15 p. 212 par. 1 Organized Testimony to the New World ***
IN JULY of 1879 the first issue of what is now The Watchtower came off the press and began to be circulated from 101 Fifth St., Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U. S. A.
*** w50 7/15 p. 214 par. 9 Organized Testimony to the New World ***
Besides The Watchtower other spiritual food was provided through the pen of Brother Russell. This was regularly spread to all hungry ones by the then available means of distribution. To keep pace with Jehovah’s blessing upon the work Brother Russell organized the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, at Pittsburgh, Pa., in 1881 (The Watchtower, April, 1881)
, and three years later, in 1884, this was incorporated under the laws of the State of Pennsylvania. This incorporated Society has since served as part of the equipment God provided for his people to do every kind of good work in both American and foreign fields. He has preserved it to this day. It now has its main offices at 124 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn 2, N. Y., but has its registered office still in Pittsburgh, Pa., where its annual meetings for transacting business and electing the Society’s directors are held as required by Pennsylvania law. It is merely an instrument, a legal and publishing servant, of Jehovah’s visible organization, his consecrated witnesses.