Jehovah`s Witness/When did the Trinity change?
I thought that God was a trinity? I don't think Kevin (Derrick's Puppet} knows the difference between the trinity or modalism when he claims God is three distinct parts like H20. Water, Ice and Steam? Grabbing at straws aren't they? Isn't this the straw man argument that they failed at-- time and time again? I see DH never answered any of your questions. Guess he never was a JW Expert after all. He must be humiliated and very red in the face when walking about in Public. I bet he hears voices too!
What do you say Eddie?
Hi Danny Boy,
Straw man it is. The trinity doctrine is indeed very a difficult concept to unravel. Only the (spiritually) blind can put faith in it.
They tried so many ways throughout the years to clearify it but can't seem to get to the bottom of it. Instead it keeps evolving like the theory of evolution keeps evolving and changing.
They tried hard to explain it in many different ways only to come up short. They used the egg analogy only to end up with eggs on their faces. They used the water in three form analogy only to end up wet all over. No matter how hard they try to explain it they just can't seem to get it right!
Richard tried to explain it as 'Three separate persons in One God nature, only to contradict Derrick Holland's version of Trinity. One says all three are equal, while the other says nope, the son is subject to the Father and the holy spirit is subject to both. Ask them who is to be worshiped, they will admit all three - God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. Ask them why worship all three if there's only one God? They will claim because the Bible says it. Ask them for a scripture, they can't point to a single verse confirming what they are claiming.
Yet their own creed CLEARLY states: “We worship God in trinity, and trinity in unity, neither confounding the persons, nor separating the substance”.
So on and on they go like a crazy dog trying to chase its tail, while the same time ignoring what Lord Jesus himself plainly said. That is...
"...the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father
with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth." (John 4:23, 24)
In any case, it's a mind boggling theory that only the blind, those who truly are spiritually blind will swallow it, hook line and sinker!!!
As to my question, thanks for mentioning it because Holland never really gave a clear direct answer. He gave some sort of answer, but after looking at it, there's really nothing there. It's just smoke and mirrors full of himself.
Check this out Danny Boy:
I've asked a very simple question.
Who said "not just some" are saved by God?
As in "God wants ALL men to be saved...not just some”?
If he is not arguing with himself or that he's not lying about us, or that he didn't misspoke, to whom then is the statement pertaining to:
"God wants ALL men to be saved...not just some”?
Now let's take a look at his so called answers:
(I'll copy and paste a snippit here because his answer is quite a novel. Read all of it here if you have time to waste: http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jehovah-s-Witness-1617/2014/11/eddie-eddie-eddie-don.
Now, at the outset, let me just point something out. This question that Eddie has been incessantly asking….“Is Derrick Holland arguing with himself? If no, who said, "...not just some" then?” , only came about for ONE reason…..
Because Eddie made the false claim, that I had said they teach that only 144,000 are saved, when no such thing was ever said, or implied. Then, Eddie reiterated it again, when I asked him point blank if I had actually said that, when he claims “Yes you did! You "REALLY [said] that JWs teach that only 144,000 are “saved”.
That was a dumb move. Surely he knew that I would then challenge him to show WHERE it was said. I guess he just wasn’t thinking. Well, after being challenged, he decides to come up with this weird question, “who is Mr.Holland arguing with?” , to show that I was IMPLYING that they teach this.
So let’s just state this simple fact…This question of Eddie’s only exists in the first place, because he couldn’t produce the very statement that he claims that I made. That should say something.
And as pointed out before, this is the very reason that intellectually challenged people like Eddie and DW, should not "paraphrase" to begin with. They simply are not able to read something in context, and get the correct meaning of it. Either that, or they don't want to, and instead, would rather distort and twist it."
Now, the last part of the paragraph….“He is not Mediator for merely 144,000 select individuals, but He is Mediator for ALl men. God wants ALL men to be saved...not just some.”
Ah YES, THERE IT IS!! WE’VE FINALLY GOT THAT OPPOSER/APOSTATE!!!.
Well, we thought we had him. But no, we twisted his words and lied yet again, and he called us out on it.
Uh Ed, I believe that I CORRECTLY stated your belief, that Jesus is Mediator for only the 144,000, didn’t I? Isn’t that, in fact, what you believe?
So, I believe that by just reading the above statement, it is pretty plain to everyone but you, that it was a reference to the REASON that God provided Christ as Mediator to all men….Because He wants all men to be saved. Again, nobody is saved without a Mediator. That is, unless you are sinless, and not separated from God by your sin.
So, the statement that you have been harping on, was in itself not an “argument”. It was part of a paragraph, which you could call an “argument” (but more of a doctrinal statement and an appeal), against the false teaching of the WT, that Jesus is Mediator for only 144,000.
But of course, this has already been explained, and the meaning of the statement was actually the OPPOSITE of what you have been desperately trying to argue, and convince the readers of. And quite unsuccessfully, I might add…As evidenced by all the people, both JWs and non, telling you to “give it up”.
But you have done everything you could do, to discredit and slander me. And it failed…miserably. And look at what you have been reduced to….“Who is Mr. Holland arguing with?”<
So any clear answer? Did you see it?
What's the answer to this simple question?
Who said "not just some" are saved by God?
You know why he didn't answer this very simple but specific question?
Because he knew he got caught. He got caught in his own web of lies. Simple.