Jehovah`s Witness/Blaspheming the Holy Spirit_


QUESTION: Eddie, your joking about the Holy Spirit is a prime example of how seriously you take the Word of God. After your remark in the link below you expect us to take anything you say on this forum seriously?  Words cannot express how offensive I find your disrespectful, flippant remark about the Holy Spirit.  

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[P.S. WHERE was the HOLY SPIRIT the whole time in these scriptures i pointed out! Probably ASLEEP somewhere,cause I never even saw "IT: mentioned ALONG with Jesus and his GOD AND FATHER JEOVAH one time as "TRIO"! Lol!!!!!]


~~Matthew 12:31 "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blaphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be orgiven unto men."
~~Mark 3:29 "But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:"
~~Acts 5:3-4 "But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?" "...thou hast not lied uto men, but unto GOD."
~~Acts 7:51 "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as you fathers did, so do ye."
Ephesiand 4:30 "And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."
I Thess 5:19 "Quench not the Spirit."

Eddie, don't you realize you are treading on dangerous ground?



While Eddie did not identify himself in this question, it has all the earmarks of his style.  If not Eddie, my apologies.  I wonder why questioners do not identify themselves when asking a question.  The 'expert' can see who the questioner is, but not others who read the forum.  If questioners don't identify themselves, it would be helpful if the 'expert' did.


You must have confused me for another Eddie since I go by Eddie G.

As to the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The one who makes the Holy Spirit into a God, third part of a the unholy Triune godhead is committing sin against God and his holy spirit - his active force.

Are you a Trnitarian Jay? If so, what is the name of the Holy Spirit if it's the Third person of the Trinity godhead?

Do you even know what you believed?

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As I stated in advance, my apologies if it wasn't you who made the offensive remark when referring to the Holy Spirit.  

But thank you for letting me know it was not you who sent the question "WHY have THE TRINITARIANS here HIDDEN from ANSWERING?!!!" to Rando on 3/16/14.  Would you also be so kind as to post my response anyway so the one who did ask the question & made the remark will see it without me having to re-post it.  

You seem to know a lot about the Holy Spirit.  And since you volunteered to answer questions on this forum, here's my question(s) to you, Eddie G.  Do you find the following comment offensive?  And do you consider the person who made it flippant, disrespectful & demeaning?   

[P.S. WHERE was the HOLY SPIRIT the whole time in these scriptures i pointed out! Probably ASLEEP somewhere,cause I never even saw "IT: mentioned ALONG with Jesus and his GOD AND FATHER JEOVAH one time as "TRIO"! Lol!!!!!]

Thanks in advance for your response.

ANSWER: Sure it's a blasphemy....

.... if the Trinity doctrine is true.

But as it is and as pointed out by many already, it's a man-made doctrine based on many years of philosophizing, based on misinterpretation of scriptures and based on spurious texts.

So to say it's scriptural is far from the truth. Of course you can prove me wrong. But I'm confident that we have the truth!

For example, if the holy spirit is a person, that is, the third person of the trinity godhead, what is his name?

How come it's not named if it's a person of very important position - the THIRD Almighty God of the trinity godhead?

We know the name of the ONLY True Living God - Jehovah.

We know the name son of the living God - Jesus Christ/ Michael in heaven.

We don't have a name for the holy spirit.

How come?

Why unanamed? What's your answer to that?

Matter of fact many haters and God are named in the Bible including the archenemy Satan the Devil.

But why the holy spirit is unnamed if it's one of the triune godhead?

And how many holy spirit do you think was there when it divided itself into 120 "fire like tongue" to fill 120 persons?

“. . .Now while the day of the Festival of Pentecost was in progress, they were all together at the same place. Suddenly there was a noise from heaven, just like that of a rushing, stiff breeze, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. And tongues as if of fire became visible to them and were distributed, and one came to rest on each one of them, and they all became filled with holy spirit and started to speak in different languages, just as the spirit enabled them to speak.” (Acts 2:1-4)

Then passed on to different people and shared with other people?

If it's a person, how can one logically split a person into 120 persons, then come down as a dove or a wind, or as a finger?

Now don't get me wrong, of course it can be said that the holy spirit is sometimes personified as a person because of what it does, but upon closer study, it's really Jehovah God who is doing the things the holy spirit does. You know why? It's because it is his power, his active force. It was used in creation (Gen 1:2) and was given to Jesus like an anointing oil to become the Messiah.

Also like what questioner had asked, how come the holy spirit is not in the picture whenever Jehovah and Jesus are personally mentioned (in the scriptures)? Where was it if it or "he" is the third part of the triune godhead (during the appearances of the Father and his son Jesus)?

So it's a valid question. Now whether if its flippant, disrespectful & demeaning the way the question was asked - I guess it depends on the listener.

It's not to me because like I said, the trinity doctrine is a man-made falsehood, inspired by no other than the father of lie, Satan.

For how can three person logically be one God?

All Almighty God but then lesser than the other?

How on heaven and earth can you logically explain such concept - the Trinity doctrine?

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 Are you saying in certain instances (IF THE TRINITY DOCTRINE ISN'T TRUE) it's OK to speak of the Holy Spirit in a demeaning, flippant, disrespectful manner?  Wasn't this the obvious intention of the one who made the comment?  

You say you personally do not feel the comment in question is blasphemous and that it depends on the listener. What about these three listeners: God & Jesus & the Holy Spirit?  And yes, the Holy Spirit hears:  "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall HEAR, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." (John 16:13)

Not only does the Holy Spirit hear, he also:
~SPEAKS... (1 Tim 4:1) and (John 16:13 above)
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;" ~TEACHES... (John 14:26) "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
~BEARS WITNESS... (John 15:26) "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:".
~GUIDES, HEARS & DECLARES... (John 16:13 above)  
~SENDS... Acts 10:19, 20) "While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee. Arise therefore and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them."
~FORBIDS.. (Acts 16:6,7) "Now when they had gone through Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia, After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not."
~SEARCHES & KNOWS...(1 Corin 2:11) "But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.  For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 13. Which things also we speak, not in the words which mans wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual thngs with spiritual. 14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
~WILLS... (1 Corin 12: 11) "But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."
~LOVES..."Now I beseech you, brethern, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;" (Romans 15:30)

The Holy Spirit can be:
~GRIEVED... (Eph 4:30) "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."
~LIED TO...(Acts:5:3,4) "But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? ...Thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God."
~SPOKEN AGAINST... (Matt 12:31,32) "Wherefore I say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.  And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
~RESISTED... (Acts 7:51) "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do you.  
~INSULTED... (Heb 10:29)  
~FILLS: (Acts 7:55) "But he(regarding Stephen), being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold I see the Son of man standing on the right hand of God."

All these actions can be attributed to 'an active force', something like 'electricity'?  Does an active force/electricity speak, hear, teach, guide, have a will?  Can an active force/electricity' be lied to, grieved, insulted?


And by the way, my question to you wasn't about the Trinity, was it?   No, it  was regarding blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

You agreed to answer questions on this forum, Eddie... not ask them.  I think I counted 14 questions here from you.  Since you have so many questions about the Holy Spirit, why don't you do your own independent study on the subject?   And since all scripture was given by inspiration of God... (11 Tim 3:16) and ... "holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.' (11 Peter 1:21) all your questions can surely be found in the scriptures.  Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal himself to you.  He will guide you into all truth.



If the holy spirit is a person and that IT is a "he" (masculine gender) as mentioned at 16:3, then the same masculine gender should also be used at John 14:16,17. But we don't see the masculine gender "he", instead we read the holy spirit as "it".


“And I will ask the Father and he will give you another helper<b> to be with you forever, <b>the spirit of the truth , which the world cannot receive, because it ,  neither sees it ,  nor knows it ,. You know it, because it , remains with you and is , in you ,.” (John 14:16, 17 NWT)

Now, why is that?

Here's a short but clear explanation as to why it is:

*** ti p. 22 The Holy Spirit—God’s Active Force ***
The “Helper”

JESUS spoke of the holy spirit as a “helper,” and he said it would teach, guide, and speak. (John 14:16, 26; 16:13) The Greek word he used for helper (pa•ra′kle•tos) is in the masculine gender. So when Jesus referred to what the helper would do, he used masculine personal pronouns. (John 16:7, 8) On the other hand, when the neuter Greek word for spirit (pneu′ma) is used, the neuter pronoun “it” is properly employed.
Most Trinitarian translators hide this fact, as the Catholic New American Bible admits regarding John 14:17: “The Greek word for ‘Spirit’ is neuter, and while we use personal pronouns in English (‘he,’ ‘his,’ ‘him’), most Greek MSS [manuscripts] employ ‘it.’”

So when the Bible uses masculine personal pronouns in connection with pa•ra′kle•tos at John 16:7, 8, it is conforming to rules of grammar, not expressing a doctrine.<

*** w08 4/15 p. 32 par. 4 Highlights From the Book of John ***
14:16, 17; 16:7, 8, 13, 14—When referring to the helper, or the spirit of the truth, why is the pronoun “it” used at John 14:16, 17, whereas “him” and “he” are used at John 16:7, 8, 13, 14? The reason for this is strictly grammatical. In the Greek language, in which John’s Gospel was written, the word for “helper” is in the masculine gender, but the term for “spirit” is neuter. In recording Jesus’ statement, John therefore used the masculine pronoun, such as “he” or “him,” when referring to what the helper would do. The neuter pronoun “it” was employed when reference was made to what the spirit of the truth would accomplish.

*** w08 4/15 p. 32 par. 10 Highlights From the Book of John ***
14:26; 16:13. Jehovah’s holy spirit serves as a teacher and remembrancer. It also operates to reveal truths. Hence, it can help us to grow in knowledge, wisdom, insight, judgment, and thinking ability. We should therefore persevere in prayer, specifically asking for that spirit.—Luke 11:5-13.
In other words, the scriptures you've provided are NOT proof that the holy spirit is a person but rather a "thing" - a force to be precise!

This is even admitted in The New American Bible on John 14:17 where it said:

>> “The Greek word for ‘Spirit’ is neuter, and while we use personal pronouns in English (‘he,’ ‘his,’ ‘him’), most Greek MSS [manuscripts] employ ‘it.’”<<

Thus in order to get the correct and proper understanding of the scriptures (when it comes to the holy spirit), the texts SHOULD be read per the grammatical rule ACCORDING to the context or per the context according to grammatical rule.

So contrary to what you said:

>>" All these actions can be attributed to 'an active force', something like 'electricity'?  Does an active force/electricity speak, hear, teach, guide, have a will?  Can an active force/electricity' be lied to, grieved, insulted?"<<

that is, when the holy spirit is said to do the following:

>> SPEAKS... (1 Tim 4:1)...
>> BEARS WITNESS... (John 15:26)
.. GUIDES, HEARS & DECLARES... (John 16:13 above)  
>> SENDS... Acts 10:19, 20)
>> FORBIDS.. (Acts 16:6,7)
>> WILLS... (1 Corin 12: 11)
>>LOVES... Romans 15:30)
>>GRIEVED... (Eph 4:30)
>>LIED TO...(Acts:5:3,4)
>> SPOKEN AGAINST... (Matt 12:31,32)
>> RESISTED... (Acts 7:51)
>> INSULTED... (Heb 10:29)  
>> FILLS: (Acts 7:55)... doesn't automatically mean it's a person. If this is the case, then Sin must also be a person when it is said to be ruling over us as King, having power over mankind as King. Or for that matter to a fire since it's associated with fire.


“. . .That one will baptize you with holy spirit and with fire.” (Matthew 3:11) - imagine that if the holy spirit is a "person" then why not fire? So it's clear here that since fire is not a person thus the holy spirit is not a person.

As sin being a King, the scripture says:

“. . .For sin was in the world before the Law, but sin is not charged against anyone when there is no law. Nevertheless, death ruled as king from Adam down to Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the same way that Adam transgressed, who bears a resemblance to the one who was to come.” (Romans 5:13, 14)

“. . .So that just as sin ruled as king with death, . . .” (Romans 5:21)

“. . .Therefore, do not let sin continue to rule as king in your mortal bodies . . .” (Romans 6:12)

“. . .For sin must not be master over you, seeing that you are not under law but under undeserved kindness.” (Romans 6:14)

So again since sin is not a person but said/personified as having dominion over men, so goes the with the holy spirit having human like qualities.

Hence, common sense tells us therefore that the holy spirit is NOT a person just as Fire and Sin are not persons.

In addition, you also need to ask yourself in what way does God's holy spirit speaks or guides a person? Does it do this literally as if a person is talking to you, guiding you ?

Of course not! Notice again:

“After that I will pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, And your young men will see visions. And even on my male slaves and female slaves I will pour out my spirit in those days.” (Joel 2:28, 29)

“For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit.” (2 Peter 1:21)

“Teach me to do your will, For you are my God. Your spirit is good; May it lead me on level ground.” (Psalm 143:10)

“. . .But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju•de′a and Sa•mar′i•a, and to the most distant part of the earth.”” (Acts 1:8)

Thus, it's by God's POWER that he moves and inspires men and women. Just like electricity can POWER and move machines (of any kind,) the holy spirit is likewise as to humans.

So, you can't just pick and chose scriptures and then present them as proof for the holy spirit being  a person based on PRE-CONCIEVED ideas and not on sound reasoning and proper grammatical rules. You can't, otherwise you'll end up with the Trinity doctrine, a very flawed doctrine that is categorically based on imperfect human philosophy.

But it's up to you to continue to believe on human philosophy rather that in the truth.

As for blaspheming against the holy spirit, actually the trinity doctrine is a blasphemy against God as it hides his true identity. It's a blasphemy against the holy spirit as it hides the truth about it. And by continuing to promote it as scriptural it makes you liable to Jehovah God, the only true living God, Jesus Christ the son of the living God my lord and God's holy spirit - Jehovah's active force!

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